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From William A Rowe Jr <>
Subject RE: [DISCUSS] Geode Incubation proposal
Date Mon, 13 Apr 2015 05:32:34 GMT

do we evaluate source code at the incubation-entry level, or do we evaluate
proposed development goals and development community propositions? I'm
curious about your thoughts.


On Apr 13, 2015 12:16 AM, "Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)" <> wrote:

> Pivotal are asking me to agree to an "evaluation license" which I cannot
> view before I sign up. So I have to review the privacy policy first.
> Pivotal's privacy policy goes a *long* way beyond the point I am
> comfortable with when getting open source software (or deciding whether I
> want to agree with an evaluation license I can't read). I guess your
> defense could be that it's not open source yet, that's fine, but you are
> asking me, as an IPMC Member, to make a judgement on the validity of the
> proposal but I can't evaluate the code since I can't access it or the
> license under which I am allowed to view it.
> Most importantly, the "export and license obligations" you mention are
> something that have to go away before we can accept the project (or more
> accurately before it can graduate). Since I can't evaluate the code or the
> license I have no way of evaluating whether this is possible. There is no
> mention of such an item under "known risks" or the "crypotography" section
> of the proposal so what's this "export" stuff about (assuming the license
> thing is the evaluation license)?
> Given the points above I do not see how I can evaluate this proposal in
> its current form.
> Ross
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [] On Behalf Of
> Roman Shaposhnik
> Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 11:56 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Geode Incubation proposal
> Since I'm getting a few off-list questions, I just want to make one point
> clear:
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <>
> wrote:
> >> I'd also like to be able to review the source referred to in the
> >> proposal without having to sign up to  "the Pivotal network" - how can
> I do that?
> >
> > The issue here is export and license compliance. Unfortunately,
> > singing up is the only way to go right now. Why is it problematic for
> you?
> The software currently is NOT under ALv2. It is available under the
> evaluation license. The whole point of the proposal is to make it available
> under ALv2 as an Incubating project.
> Our apologies for making folks click through the evaluation license.
> Thanks,
> Roman.
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