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From: "John D. Ament" <johndament@apache.org>
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2015 03:33:07 +0000
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Subject: Re: Soliciting feedback for a detailed pTLP policy document
To: general@incubator.apache.org,
 Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacretaz@apache.org>,
	Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>
Cc: Apache Board <board@apache.org>
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I obviously speak for the minority, but as a non-Apache Member I would
never be able to provide a binding vote in a pTLP.

We just had a case where the 4 IPMC representatives are made up of 1
current IPMC Member, 2 IPMC non-members and 1 Member pending IPMC.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 10:05 PM Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) <
Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com> wrote:

> How do you see yourself being limited in the support you can provide?
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
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> From: John D. Ament<mailto:johndament@apache.org>
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> Bertrand Delacretaz<mailto:bdelacretaz@apache.org>; Sam Ruby<mailto:rubys=
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> Cc: Apache Board<mailto:board@apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Soliciting feedback for a detailed pTLP policy document
>
> Roman,
>
> I don't think much is missing.  One of my concerns with all of these
> proposals, especially for participants like myself, is the difference in
> how the IPMC operates vs how these PMCs must operate.  For someone like m=
e,
> I wouldn't be able to help these pTLP's the way I can on the IPMC.
>
> From a document's standpoint, I'm concerned with heavy reliance on three
> existing Apache members.  Specifically, if the pTLP gets into a situation
> where only 2 of its 3 members are active, they can't even add an addition=
al
> member.  While having three active participants is crucial (from the tone
> of the document), as soon as one of those three starts failing, they cann=
ot
> ever recover without that 3rd person rejoining.
>
> This approach seems to favor cases where the pTLP is proposed and managed
> by an existing member.  I can see this approach not helping foster extern=
al
> groups from joining the ASF, especially trying to find three members open=
ly
> willing to help foster that community.
>
> I can think of a few members who have no interest in helping to mentor
> projects.  So if the hope is to get these folks involved, I look forward =
to
> seeing the results.
>
> John
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 8:33 PM Roman Shaposhnik <rvs@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi!
> >
> > since a few board members requested a detailed document
> > outlining the exact policy of a pTLP project, I've created this:
> >    https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.
> > action?pageId=3D51812862
> > which is modeled after the Incubator policy document. My rationale
> > is this: if the level of details of the Incubator policy is considered
> > good enough for poddlings, holding pTLP project to higher level
> > of standard would be unfair.
> >
> > At this point, I would like to open this document for soliciting as
> > wide a feedback as possible. I would like to especially request
> > attention of the ASF board members who asked for this type of
> > a document to be available.
> >
> > Please feel free to either comment on this email thread or edit
> > the document directly (do send me your Confluence IDs so I can
> > give you karma, though).
> >
> > I would like to see if we can build consensus around this policy
> > in time for the March board meeting so that Zest can try one more
> > time to join ASF as a pTLP project.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Roman.
> >
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