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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 09:07:53 +0100
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Subject: Re: [VOTE] Accept Groovy into the Apache Incubator
From: Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibucau@gmail.com>
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 Le 19 mars 2015 09:07, "Ashish" <paliwalashish@gmail.com> a =C3=A9crit :

> +1 non-binding
>
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 12:25 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <rvs@apache.org> wrote=
:
> > Following the discussion earlier in the thread:
> >    http://s.apache.org/KWE
> >
> > I would like to call a VOTE for accepting Groovy
> > as a new incubator project.
> >
> > The proposal is available at:
> >     https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/GroovyProposal
> > and is also included at the bottom of this email.
> >
> > Vote is open until at least Saturday, 21st March 2015, 23:59:00 PST
> >
> >  [ ] +1 accept Groovy in the Incubator
> >  [ ] =C2=B10
> >  [ ] -1 because...
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Roman.
> >
> > =3D=3D Abstract =3D=3D
> > Groovy is an object-oriented programming language for the Java
> > platform. It is a language with features similar to those of Python,
> > Ruby, Java, Perl, and Smalltalk.
> > Groovy, if accepted by Incubator, will be a first major programming
> > language developed under the umbrella of Apache Software Foundation.
> >
> > =3D=3D Proposal =3D=3D
> > Groovy is a programming language for the Java platform. It is a
> > primarily dynamic language with features similar to those of Python,
> > Ruby, Perl, and Smalltalk. It also has optional static type checking
> > and static compilation facilities. It can be used as a scripting
> > language for the Java Platform or to write complete applications, is
> > compiled to Java Virtual Machine (JVM) bytecode, and interoperates
> > with other Java code and libraries. Groovy uses a Java-like
> > curly-bracket syntax. Most Java code is also syntactically valid
> > Groovy, although semantics may be different. Groovy has long been
> > developed under an Apache License v2.0 under an open governance
> > community management process. However, so far Groovy has been a
> > project mostly sponsored by a single company. This proposal aims at
> > bringing Groovy community under the umbrella of the Apache Software
> > Foundation.
> >
> > It must be explicitly noted, that a few sister projects such as Groovy
> > Eclipse and others (some of them hosted under
> > https://github.com/groovy and listed at
> > http://groovy-lang.org/ecosystem.html) are not covered by this
> > proposal. It is possible that these other projects will be joining ASF
> > either independently or as sub-projects of Apache Groovy in the
> > future. For now, we are only proposing groovy-core.
> >
> > =3D=3D Background =3D=3D
> > Groovy 1.0 was released on January 2, 2007, and Groovy 2.0 in July,
> > 2012. Groovy 2.5 is planned for release in 2015. Groovy 3.0 is planned
> > for release in 2016, with support for a new Meta Object Protocol.
> > Since version 2, Groovy can also be compiled statically, offering type
> > inference and performance very close to that of Java. Groovy 2.4 will
> > be the last major release under Pivotal Software's sponsorship, which
> > is scheduled to end on March 31, 2015.
> >
> > =3D=3D Rationale =3D=3D
> > Groovy is a pretty mature language. After 12 years of development, it
> > has grown from being primarily a dynamic scripting language on the JVM
> > to an optionally statically compiled language allowing the same
> > performance level as Java applications. With the release of Groovy
> > 2.4, the language targets the largest pool of mobile developers with
> > native Android support. Groovy has been integrated in a large number
> > of applications, including well known open-source projects like
> > Jenkins, Gradle, ElasticSearch, Spring and more.
> >
> > There are multiple alternative languages on the JVM: Scala, Clojure,
> > Ceylon, Kotlin, JRuby, Golo and others but Groovy is the only one
> > which has proved to be very easy to integrate with Java in both ways:
> > Groovy code using Java code, but also Java code using Groovy code.
> > Groovy even provides a joint compiler which allows interdependent Java
> > and Groovy classes to compile together. Groovy also supports dynamic
> > code generation, that is to say classes at runtime, making it a
> > perfect fit for scripting. With a very lightweight and malleable
> > syntax, it is also easy to build internal Domain Specific Languages
> > (DSLs) which integrate smoothly within applications.
> >
> > Groovy provides a number of unique features, like builders (Java 8 has
> > lambdas but still has syntactic overhead and no notion of delegate),
> > AST transformations (compile-time metaprogramming) or type checking
> > extensions (which allows the developer to bring the compiler to levels
> > of type checking and type inference that go far beyond what other
> > languages do). Groovy also provides powerful integration options and
> > customizations which set it apart from other languages. Groovy is also
> > unique in the way it allows the developer to choose between various
> > paradigms without compromise: functional vs object-oriented,
> > statically compiled vs dynamic, scripting vs applications, etc.
> >
> > Despite all those advantages, and the fact that Groovy is widely
> > adopted (4.5 million downloads in 2014 for Groovy alone), only a few
> > Apache projects include Groovy and not a lot of them leverage its full
> > power. Some developers tend to choose Scala for example to build DSLs
> > without even knowing that the learning curve is much easier with
> > Groovy, or that they can leverage powerful type inference in their own
> > DSLs.
> >
> > Android development is also a domain where the weight of Java and
> > old-style APIs is heavy. Groovy 2.4 has proved that Android
> > development could benefit from its closures, extension methods and
> > static compilation to build applications which are as fast as Java,
> > but with code which is much more maintainable and decoupled from
> > Android APIs. Code generation libraries like SwissKnife illustrate
> > what Groovy can offer for Android development. However, without
> > full-time development on this topic, Groovy has a very tough
> > competition with languages like Kotlin being intensively (and
> > privately) sponsored to target this platform. With Groovy joining
> > Apache, we hope that more developers would be able to join the effort
> > and help reduce the footprint of the language, build libraries that
> > leverage the full power of Groovy while fostering the long-term future
> > of the language.
> >
> >
> > =3D=3D Initial Goals =3D=3D
> > The initial goals of the Groovy transition under the ASF umbrella are
> > to establish a new home for an already fully functioning project and
> > also make sure that the entire development community governs itself in
> > the "Apache Way".
> >
> > Please note that a sister project of Groovy -- Grails -- is not part
> > of this proposal. If Grails community makes a decision to join ASF it
> > will do so as an independent, albeit related, project.
> >
> > =3D=3D Current Status =3D=3D
> > Currently Groovy provides a fully functional implementation licensed
> > under ALv2. The project home is at http://groovy-lang.org/ and the
> > majority of development is coordinated via GitHub
> > https://github.com/groovy. The project sports a very mature
> > documentation and ecosystem of projects leveraging it. In fact, quite
> > a few existing ASF project have various plugins or subsystems written
> > in Groovy (Bigtop, CloudStack, etc.).
> >
> > =3D=3D=3D Meritocracy =3D=3D=3D
> > Groovy, up to this, has been run by a few core project members with a
> lot of
> > contributions coming from a wide community of participants in the
> project.
> >
> > We want to expand our diverse developer and user community and run the
> > Groovy project in
> > the Apache way clearly signaling not only the licensing, but also the
> > governance choice.
> >
> > Users and new contributors will be treated with respect and welcomed;
> > they will earn
> > merit in the project by providing quality patches and support that
> > move the project forward.
> >
> > Those with a proven support and quality patch track record will be
> > encouraged to become committers.
> >
> > =3D=3D=3D Community =3D=3D=3D
> > There are just a few core team members with over a hundred
> > contributors to the project. If Groovy is accepted
> > by the Incubator, transitioning the community to embrace the Apache
> > Way of governance would be a primary initial goal.
> > We would solicit major existing contributors to become committers on
> > the project from the get go.
> >
> > =3D=3D=3D Core Developers =3D=3D=3D
> >
> > Core developers include folks who are extremely skilled in working in
> the openly
> > governed communities on code bases license under the ALv2. The core
> > developers are
> > NOT currently affiliated with the ASF, although quite a few contributor=
s
> are.
> >
> > =3D=3D=3D Alignment =3D=3D=3D
> >
> > Groovy has been integrated into Apache Bigtop, Apache CloudStack,
> > Apache Ofbiz and quite a few other projects.
> >
> > =3D=3D Known Risks =3D=3D
> > As noted above, development has been sponsored mostly by a single
> > company and coordinated
> > mostly by the core team so far.
> >
> > For Groovy to fully transition to an "Apache Way" governance model it
> needs to
> > start embracing the meritocracy-centric way of growing the community
> > of contributors
> > while balancing it with the needs for extreme stability and coherency
> > of the core
> > language implementation.
> >
> > Groovy has historically been hosted at Codehaus. While the project has
> started
> > to migrate off the Codehaus infrastructure, some critical tools of the
> > project are
> > still hosted there: JIRA, the mailing-list, and the deprecated wiki.
> > Codehaus has
> > announced end-of-support for mid-April, making the migration critical.
> >
> > =3D=3D=3D Orphaned products =3D=3D=3D
> >
> > The community proposing Groovy for incubation is a strong and vibrant
> > open source
> > project. Even though the sponsorship of the core team by Pivotal is
> > ending on March 31st,
> > the sheer size and diversity of the community is a guarantee against
> > the project being orphaned.
> >
> > =3D=3D=3D Inexperience with Open Source =3D=3D=3D
> > The majority of the proposers here have day jobs that has them working
> near
> > full-time on open source projects. A few of us have helped carry
> > other projects through the Incubator.  Groovy to date has been develope=
d
> as
> > an open source project.
> >
> > =3D=3D=3D Homogeneous Developers =3D=3D=3D
> > Now that Pivotal is ending its sponsorship, the initial group of
> committers
> > is going to be extremely heterogeneous when it comes to corporate
> affiliations.
> > The Groovy community is also extremely diverse in terms of geography an=
d
> > backgrounds of developers.
> >
> > =3D=3D=3D Reliance on Salaried Developers =3D=3D=3D
> > Most of the contributors are paid to work in the Java ecosystem.
> > While we might wander from our current employers, we probably won=E2=80=
=99t
> > go far from the Java family tree.
> >
> > =3D=3D=3D Relationships with Other Apache Products =3D=3D=3D
> > Groovy currently has a few ASF projects as optional dependencies but
> > otherwise doesn't depend on any ASF projects. A few
> > ASF projects already depend on Groovy.
> >
> > =3D=3D=3D An Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand =3D=3D=3D
> > While we intend to leverage the Apache =E2=80=98branding=E2=80=99 when =
talking to other
> > projects as testament of our project=E2=80=99s =E2=80=98neutrality=E2=
=80=99, we have no plans
> > for making use of Apache brand in press releases nor posting billboards
> > advertising acceptance of Groovy into Apache Incubator.
> >
> >
> > =3D=3D Documentation =3D=3D
> > See [[http://www.groovy-lang.org/documentation.html|documentation]]
> > for the current state of the Groovy
> > documentation.
> >
> > A mature project website is also available at
> > [[http://www.groovy-lang.org/|groovy-lang.org]].
> >
> > =3D=3D Initial Source =3D=3D
> > Initial source is available on GitHub under the ALv2
> > [[https://github.com/groovy/groovy-core|groovy-core]]
> >
> >
> > =3D=3D Source and Intellectual Property Submission Plan =3D=3D
> > We know of no legal encumberments in the way of transfer of source to
> > Apache. In fact, given the
> > series of corporate due diligence procedures performed on the source
> > code during two of the
> > acquisitions we expect the code base to be squeaky clean from an IP
> perspective.
> >
> > =3D=3D External Dependencies =3D=3D
> > Embedded dependencies (relocated):
> >
> >    * Antlr 2, ANTLR 2 License (development branch includes Antlr4
> > using BSD license)
> >    * ASM, BSD
> >    * Openbeans (ALv2)
> >    * Apache Commons CLI (ALv2)
> >
> > Module or optional dependencies:
> >
> >    * Apache Ant (ALv2)
> >    * Apache Commons BSF (ALv2)
> >    * Apache Commons Logging (ALv2)
> >    * Apache Ivy (ALv2)
> >    * Apache Log4j (ALv2)
> >    * Apache Log4j 2 (ALv2)
> >    * JAnsi (ALv2)
> >    * JCommander (ALv2)
> >    * JLine 2 (BSD)
> >    * JUnit (EPL 1.0)
> >    * Logback (EPL 1.0)
> >    * QDox (ALv2)
> >    * SLF4J (MIT)
> >    * TestNG (ALv2)
> >
> > Build only dependencies:
> >
> >    * bnd (ALv2)
> >    * jarjar (ALv2)
> >    * Checkstyle (LGPL)
> >    * Cobertura (GPL)
> >    * Gradle (ALv2)
> >    * Asciidoctor (MIT)
> >    * Simian (http://www.harukizaemon.com/simian/get_it_now.html)
> >
> > Test only dependencies:
> >
> >    * Apache Commons HTTP Client (ALv2)
> >    * Apache Lucene (ALv2)
> >    * Eclipse OSGi (EPL 1.0)
> >    * GPars (ALv2)
> >    * HSQLDB (BSD)
> >    * JMock (jMock Project License)
> >    * OpenEJB (ALv2)
> >    * Spock (ALv2)
> >    * XMLUnit 1 (BSD)
> >    * XStream (BSD)
> >
> > Cryptography
> > N/A
> >
> > =3D=3D Required Resources =3D=3D
> >
> > =3D=3D=3D Mailing lists =3D=3D=3D
> >   * private@groovy.incubator.apache.org (moderated subscriptions)
> >   * commits@groovy.incubator.apache.org
> >   * dev@groovy.incubator.apache.org
> >   * issues@groovy.incubator.apache.org
> >   * user@groovy.incubator.apache.org
> >
> > =3D=3D=3D Git Repository =3D=3D=3D
> > https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator-groovy.git
> >
> > =3D=3D=3D Issue Tracking =3D=3D=3D
> > JIRA Groovy (GROOVY)
> >
> > =3D=3D=3D Other Resources =3D=3D=3D
> >
> > A build server is currently sponsored by Jetbrains (TeamCity):
> > http://ci.groovy-lang.org?guest=3D1
> > The CI server has a number of build plans including multiple JDKs (5
> > to 9), 3rd party joint builds and integration with the Groovy website
> > (automatic deployment upon push).
> >
> > Means of setting up regular builds for Groovy on builds.apache.org
> >
> > =3D=3D Initial Committers =3D=3D
> >   * C=C3=A9dric Champeau
> >   * Guillaume Laforge
> >   * Jochen Theodorou
> >   * Paul King
> >   * Pascal Schumacher
> >
> > =3D=3D Affiliations =3D=3D
> >   * Pivotal: C=C3=A9dric Champeau, Jochen Theodorou
> >   * Restlet: Guillaume Laforge
> >   * ASERT: Paul King
> >   * Pascal Schumacher
> >
> > =3D=3D Sponsors =3D=3D
> >
> > =3D=3D=3D Champion =3D=3D=3D
> > Roman Shaposhnik
> >
> > =3D=3D=3D Nominated Mentors =3D=3D=3D
> >   * Bertrand Delacretaz - Apache Member
> >   * Emmanuel Lecharny - Apache Member
> >   * Jim Jagielski - Apache Member
> >   * Roman Shaposhnik - Apache Member
> >   * Andrew Bayer - Apache Member
> >   * Konstantin Boudnik - IPMC Member
> >
> > Six mentors is plenty, we are not looking for more mentors at this time=
.
> >
> > =3D=3D=3D Sponsoring Entity =3D=3D=3D
> > We would like to propose Apache incubator to sponsor this project.
> >
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>
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