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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 20:03:09 -0800
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Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Commons RDF to join the Apache Incubator
From: Marvin Humphrey <marvin@rectangular.com>
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ATTENTION IPMC!  If anybody is out there wants a low-stress Mentoring gig,
this is it.  And if you're an "RDF neutral" outsider, you'll be helping
this project to achieve its goals, just by showing up.

On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 3:14 PM, Stian Soiland-Reyes <stain@apache.org>
wrote:
> Right - I think it would be good to leave as a decision to be made by
> the PPMC when we get closer to graduation. One problem with TLP is that
> we would likely need a different name ;-)

So it would be advantageous in some ways to sort this out now.

How good a fit is this project for Commons?  Is it similar in scope and
size to other Commons components?  Any comments from current members of
the Commons community?  Should we be concerned about potential "umbrella
project" issues, such as degrading signal-to-noise ratio on the Commons
lists?

Anybody else care to weigh in on the prospect of graduating a TLP which is
anticipated to have low but sustainable activity?

> Agree, Commons RDF is a slightly different proposal - in a way we need
> the incubator mainly to mature the API (e.g. fight over method names)
> and grow the community, rather than to be a "podling" to learn the
> Apache Way and battle with NOTICE files.

Given who's involved, this is going to be as easy as Mentoring gig as ever
comes around.

It's worth contemplating whether this project should be submitted as a
TLP.  Perhaps the initial group is not quite large enough and there aren't
quite enough Apache Members, and long-term sustainability won't be
established until the API negotiations succeed and the user community
grows -- but still...

>> The Champion's main work is to help formulate the proposal.  That work
>> is essentially done -- so it doesn't matter too much who takes that
>> role, now.  Are Andy and Reto opting out out as a gesture of openness
>> to Sesame?
>
> Sergio has effectively been the Champion for this proposal, but I guess
> he's not technically admissible as the Champion needs to be a Member or
> Director.

It's not uncommon for someone other than the Champion to do most of the
hard work of drawing up the proposal, honestly.  (I coordinated the
drafting of the Lucy Incubator proposal long before I got the Member merit
badge which qualifies me to serve as a Champion.  It was the most
educational activity I've ever undertaken at Apache.)

Peter, who I see is active in Sesame, indicates that either Reto or Andy
would be acceptable.  If it would suit the community to have an outsider
Champion, though, I'm willing to serve.

To be honest there are other tasks around Apache that I need to attend to
and I would rather be the one who hooked you up than take on a formal role
-- so if another outsider is willing I'll stand aside.  But I can't ignore
the cost/benefit ratio here.

> We were hoping to also get some "RDF neutral" mentors.

See above. :)

Marvin Humphrey

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