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From jan i <j...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Is the Incubator a product? If so, why are there so few bugs?
Date Tue, 10 Feb 2015 09:47:23 GMT
On 9 February 2015 at 21:59, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org> wrote:

> I noticed that as well.  I'm assuming it's in part because no one has
> access to the incubator JIRA.
>

How come ? of course you need a jira account, but incubator jira does not
seem to have specially closed permissions.

https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR/?selectedTab=com.atlassian.jira.jira-projects-plugin:summary-panel


>
> John
>
> On Mon Feb 09 2015 at 3:57:23 PM Julian Hyde <jhyde@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Guess how many bugs have been logged against the Incubator in the last
> > 2 years? Only four[1].
> >
> > The recent discussions about effective mentoring got me thinking. I
> > know that my mentors are busy people, so I don't bother them with a
> > question unless I've first tried to find the answer. In fact, most of
> > the time I don't want to be "mentored" as such: I just want the
> > Incubator to provide a clear process that I can find using five
> > minutes and a couple of google searches.
> >
> > It seems clear (at least to me) that the Incubator provides a product.
> > That product is an explanation of the Apache process, as clear as
> > possible, and as accessible as possible. When the process is not
> > clear, that is a bug in the product. So, when a discussion on this
> > list did not yield a clear answer, I logged a bug[2]. That's when I
> > discovered that virtually no one else is logging bugs against the
> > Incubator, and I found that really surprising.
> >
> > Let me expand on the product metaphor. The Incubator provides guidance
> > on the Apache process, and the projects follow it, learn, and due
> > course graduate. The "product" here is the explanation of the Apache
> > process. The "customers" here are the incubation projects. The product
> > is imperfect and always changing, but everyone wants to improve it,
> > and the way to do that is by logging issues.
> >
> > The contract is that the customers (the projects) commit to logging
> > the issues they encounter (and if possible make contributions to fix
> > those issues), and the the producer (the Incubator) commits to resolve
> > those issues in a timely fashion.
> >
> > So then, why is the Incubator not imploring the projects to log more
> > issues?
>

A very straight and very fine argumentation, I like it a lot (and agree
with it).

rgds
jan i.

>
> > Julian
> >
> > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20INCUBATOR
> >
> > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-129
> >
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