Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 407BE10495 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 21:24:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 84126 invoked by uid 500); 25 Jan 2015 21:24:48 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 83933 invoked by uid 500); 25 Jan 2015 21:24:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 83920 invoked by uid 99); 25 Jan 2015 21:24:47 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 21:24:47 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of bimargulies@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.180 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.214.180] (HELO mail-ob0-f180.google.com) (209.85.214.180) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 21:24:21 +0000 Received: by mail-ob0-f180.google.com with SMTP id uz6so5042286obc.11 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 13:22:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=/4XoDeBxoo2zWUOEZxIfKDwlvRaJ+vjSklrFxeTwPr8=; b=IWkD4lGaawKbAi6SHxiXwSXb1IKAdfCclAGl+nvoM7xY4eEe4NZLQQ0Sf1gXtm0+nq pepEClKjPuzDshBU7BqiuBwulQSI0PNh81qfVR8OHaCt94JE0LHh29ZtDzvtji3KuBHC oAk7r5RR2d/v9KCQvwu8gG/TyEsQOiuY/qcSUWdQwQUSHqFPfSs0zbWvcFzH2XTVuOAx 69aKp6fpoNb/lk57aanRIcJdjeaQQl2VdpKs5OcDNCjkAJPOFhb6BFTaxCBxTRaJiYjM SgBycmH+jx6odNisy1AsrGgow8PGlq5l18NaKHZuEZmyqEAOgq9W6ZacPBKNTmWwdPDR Nr8w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.144.170 with SMTP id sn10mr11177869obb.52.1422220925067; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 13:22:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.202.14.204 with HTTP; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 13:22:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 16:22:04 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: my pTLP view From: Benson Margulies To: "general@incubator.apache.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 8:58 PM, Greg Stein wrote: >> ...They are reporting to the Board. We know what inactivity looks like. So we >> ask the PMC to fix it, or we shut them down.... > > I know how that works, it's just that with your pTLP proposal the > podling is "at the mercy" of their mentors - if the Incubator PMC > disappears it might be hard for them to recruit initial or new > mentors. Not a blocker for me, just an observation. I want to be clear about the hypothetical here. I think it is, "The board establishes a PMC containing some people whom it knows and trusts, and there is a larger community of some other people whom it would like to get to know and trust. (Or, even, the board included some of the second group in the PMC at the outset.) Before the second group merges with the first group, the first group loses motivation and disappears." It seems to me that this is not likely. To me, at least, signing up to be a PMC member is a much clearer commitment than signing up as a mentor, and, while I might be distracted for a month here and there, I'm not going to just wander away. I think I'd be pretty much typical (in this one tiny respect) of anyone that the board for a new PMC. To get into the pickle Bertrand is musing about, more than one of the group has to wander off, so that the remainder are not available to help recruit some successors from the general membership. > > -Bertrand > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org