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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 14:01:44 -0600
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Subject: Re: my pTLP view
From: Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com>
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Apache Subversion uses discussion/consensus for all of those. We throw out
+1 and similar as shorthand for our preference, but we never tally, as it
isn't a formal vote.

On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Andrew Purtell <apurtell@apache.org> wrote:

> In all of the projects I have been PMC or PPMC on, we vote on releases, new
> committers, and elevating committers to PMC.
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Andrew Purtell <apurtell@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > > This is *exactly* the way things work in a TLP.
> > >
> > > Yes, everyone new to the Foundation on the PPMC has a sense of equal
> > > ownership in the process. The PPMC makes a decision together as equals,
> > > then the decision is reviewed as a whole. But this is not how things
> > would
> > > work in a pTLP, right? Individuals there would effectively cast votes
> +1
> > > (binding), or -1 (binding), +1 (non-binding), or -1 (non-binding),
> etc.,
> > > depending if they are a Member or not. Maybe in practice the pTLP PMC
> > > wouldn't write down their votes like that, but somehow the distinction
> > must
> > > be presented in the tallies to be meaningful.
> > >
> >
> > Nah. First: votes should be rare in the first place. Go for consensus
> > instead. Apache Subversion has had maybe 3 votes in its 15 year history.
> >
> > And if you *do* end up voting? People already know who is binding or not.
> > This isn't some star chamber PMC. Everybody knows each other already. If
> > the PMC is voting differently from the others, then you have a problem,
> > regardless of not/binding.
> >
> > Anyways... we'll run the experiment, and see how it works. We may have a
> > candidate already.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > -g
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
>    - Andy
>
> Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet Hein
> (via Tom White)
>

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