Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E4A03CAE8 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 14:59:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 71434 invoked by uid 500); 9 Jan 2015 14:59:32 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 71192 invoked by uid 500); 9 Jan 2015 14:59:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 71167 invoked by uid 99); 9 Jan 2015 14:59:32 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 09 Jan 2015 14:59:32 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: error (nike.apache.org: encountered temporary error during SPF processing of domain of jim@jagunet.com) Received: from [69.252.207.40] (HELO resqmta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net) (69.252.207.40) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 09 Jan 2015 14:59:06 +0000 Received: from resomta-ch2-20v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.116]) by resqmta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id dqxt1p0072XD5SV01qyl4K; Fri, 09 Jan 2015 14:58:45 +0000 Received: from [192.168.199.10] ([69.251.80.74]) by resomta-ch2-20v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id dqyk1p0081cCKD901qykfl; Fri, 09 Jan 2015 14:58:45 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.1 \(1993\)) Subject: Re: What is "The Apache Way"? From: Jim Jagielski In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 09:58:44 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <1CBE78D2-D0E2-49EF-8ADA-6047630B2265@jaguNET.com> To: general@incubator.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1993) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1420815525; bh=FkyAeA4Imt0EmFk5VQDP1xdgDobYTa4Rg986bmNGfao=; h=Received:Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:Date: Message-Id:To; b=OHh8IbcfseZVKvsWSnNE6oAA7m3XP76pK3PDLJaNBkeHmHUOaVStEABrxg+vumYe4 je/v5oPstv/iB1C7r5PAe1bKu4DmtkqECcVuBbAes79oGQ332KTWzucSTTbmcr97Qr Cc9JGK5qNQiLi2KE0in2xgksL34e3dR6/EHSa/hd8H1JRsCxy2M6d4seqHPLY4bZKt LWzlOoPFYdOzxp4WcDxxJoeDkQsdhxZQRj9xnjhJDc0XiR+vxrzHop7SQJinHxaZ0h L8lOyLhQC3OwNDnuzPqZw16tLz03F2UKFNd/nJy0J93zqY1HSmnCbnoo2CENrHuOdi c+v9tQq/J5dnw== X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org > On Jan 9, 2015, at 9:51 AM, Marvin Humphrey = wrote: >=20 > On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 5:22 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: >>=20 >>> What is "The Apache Way"? No one can say. >>>=20 >>> There is no bounded set of expectations that an Apache project must = fulfill. >>>=20 >>> Where do Apache's official policies begin and end? Which best = practices >>> must be mastered? What will be enforced, what will be ignored? >>>=20 >>> Every last podling graduates without a clear understanding of The = Apache >>> Way, because it is impossible to attain a clear understanding of The = Apache >>> Way. >>=20 >> Really? Are you serious? >=20 > Absolutely. And if anyone who represents us on the Board doesn't > think that a lack of clear expectations is a problem, I think that's a > big problem. >=20 And I think that someone who is an ASF member who claims that the Apache Way is completely unknown and nebulous and that there is no clear understanding of what the Apache Way is, well I think that's a big problem as well. Even bigger.= --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org