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It doesn't need to be in the public report.

I agree the shepherd model doesn't work here but I still maintain that does=
n't mean it can't work.

Accountability, responsibility and reward are what I believe are needed. I'=
ve made my suggestions as to how to provide all three

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From: Marvin Humphrey<mailto:marvin@rectangular.com>
Sent: =FD1/=FD22/=FD2015 11:08 PM
To: general@incubator.apache.org<mailto:general@incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Next steps for various proposals (mentor re-boot, pTLP, etc.)

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 4:14 AM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com> wrote:

> If you would like to characterize shepherds as cross-cutting
> mentors-at-large, I wouldn't disagree.

It's costly to produce such cross-cutting commentary.  Because the product
ends up in the public report, it's risky to be candid -- recall the
Drill shepherd review that raised objections: <http://s.apache.org/ed>.
Shepherds can diminish the risk either by spending more time gathering
information, raising the cost, or by being more circumspect, diminishing th=
e
review's usefulness.  Both choices are suboptimal.

In any case, the Incubator struggles to get consistent shepherd participati=
on.
While the fact that Incubator shepherds are less accountable than Board
members might keep participation under 100% any given month, my guess is th=
at
the main reason the number is under 50% and trending downward is cost/benef=
it
ratio -- shepherds are making a rational choice to occupy themselves with
tasks they perceive as less arduous and/or more rewarding.

Maybe the time will come to revisit this issue if shepherd participation
flatlines, though that's not a very satisfying outcome...

Marvin Humphrey

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