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From jan i <j...@apache.org>
Subject Re: pTLP, concretely
Date Mon, 05 Jan 2015 13:27:12 GMT
On 5 January 2015 at 14:16, Alan D. Cabrera <list@toolazydogs.com> wrote:

>
> > On Jan 5, 2015, at 4:20 AM, Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > For your reading and wrangling pleasure, I offer:
> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/IncubatorV2.
> >
> > The goal of this exercise is to turn the idea of the pTLP into a
> > practical alternative. By 'practical', I mean: 'based on the
> > constraints as I see them'; the board and comdev are not going to find
> > a little bottle labelled 'drink this' and swig away at new
> > responsibilities.
> >
> > I'm not offering this to advocate for it, or against it. My purpose is
> > more to argue that it would be a ton of work. 'Mentors in the Project'
> > in the existing, messy, noisy, IPMC would be a lot less work and has
> > the potential to deliver comparable results on the important issues.
> >
> > But if people want to take this up, or if someone wants to campaign
> > for chair using this as a platform, that would be more productive that
> > discussing the pTLP alternative in the abstract.
>
>
> IMO, the “noise” comes from the IPMC discussing new processes, roles,
> etc., when mentors fail to do their jobs.
>
> This proposal is essentially a re-boot with the hopes that bad mentors
> don’t make it into the new world order.
>
> What we really need is less rules, less trial bureaucracy mechanisms, less
> roles, and simple mechanisms to hold mentors accountable to the task that
> they signed up to perform.
>
+1, and dont forget, while keeping the good parts of
incubator....especially the work around "learning the apache way".

rgds
jan i

>
>
> Regards,
> Alan
>
>
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