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From Niclas Hedhman <nic...@hedhman.org>
Subject Re: Next steps for various proposals (mentor re-boot, pTLP, etc.)
Date Thu, 22 Jan 2015 07:06:53 GMT
Ted,
doesn't that then suggest that the Board should do such an active task as
well, since they "thus can spot common problems
easily"? But they don't, possibly due to it doesn't scale. Their man on the
field, the VP, is trusted to have a grip on the situation. Why doesn't IPMC
trust that the mentor(s) has a grip as its man on the field.

Isn't what you describe "another mentor" with a different engagement
level...

Cheers
Niclas

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Marvin Humphrey <marvin@rectangular.com>
> wrote:
>
> > > Statements like shepherds dilute mentor responsibility are false. A
> > shepherd
> > > provides a mechanism for the IPMC to review the Podling/Mentor
> > relationship.
> > > This is something the IPMC needs to do when voting to graduate a
> > podling. We
> > > should be ALL be doing shepherding work.
> >
> > I can see what Alan's getting at, though.  Unless the podling is in
> > trouble,
> > the podling contributors ought to be writing the report.  The people who
> > are
> > then best placed to give informed feedback on that report are the
> podling's
> > Mentors.  But instead, the people who provide commentary on the state of
> > the
> > podling community tend to be the shepherds, whose understanding is
> > necessarily
> > more superficial.  Doesn't that seem strange?
> >
>
> Actually, I don't see it as strange.
>
> More than once while I was actively mentoring a project, a shepherd dropped
> in and noticed something that neither the project nor I had been focussing
> on.
>
> The mentor (me) was very actively involved in helping the community but the
> shepherd distinctly added value.
>
> Shepherds see across many projects and thus can spot common problems
> easily.  Mentors focus on a few problems and thus can spot longer-term
> problems.  The difference works really well in my experience.  At least I
> know that I was able to mentor better with the help.
>



-- 
Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java

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