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From "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov>
Subject Re: Incubator report sign-off
Date Mon, 05 Jan 2015 23:41:33 GMT
Yep and let all from that 170+ person committee be tracked down for responsibility. Talk about
s fun activity it's simply not scalable 

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> On Jan 5, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) <Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com>
wrote:
> 
> But the board is not responsible for any actions resulting from those reviews, the IPMC
is.
> 
> Ross
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mattmann, Chris A (3980) [mailto:chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov] 
> Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 9:31 AM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Incubator report sign-off
> 
> It’s not a pawning off to the board - the board is already responsible for reviewing
the IPMC report which includes *all of the same detail* that the IPMC also .. reviews.
> 
> Cheers,
> Chris
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Alan D. Cabrera" <list@toolazydogs.com>
> Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
> Date: Monday, January 5, 2015 at 8:59 AM
> To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Incubator report sign-off
> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 5, 2015, at 8:22 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <roman@shaposhnik.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 5:05 AM, Alan D. Cabrera 
>>> <list@toolazydogs.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 22, 2014, at 8:42 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <rvs@apache.org>
wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>  1. get rid of IPMC altogether and move to the pTLP model
>>>> 
>>>> This is effectively an IPMC reboot.  I don’t really see anything 
>>>> substantially different.
>>> 
>>> At this point, I'm convinced this is the only fruitful path forward, 
>>> the rest is a shell game with responsibility. See the other thread.
>>> 
>>>>>  3. patch the current process with starting to drop the mentors from
>>>>>      the project who don't sign off. This will essentially serve
>>>>>      as a heartbeat for mentors (now, in my opinion it'll quickly
>>>>>     deteriorate into mindless tick-offs -- but at least it does 
>>>>> not harm).
>>>> 
>>>> How is it that a mentor became an IPMC member and do such an 
>>>> unethical thing such as a mindless tick-off?
>>> 
>>> We're talking about human being here. The one who never ever cut 
>>> corners in his life can cast the first stone.
>> 
>> I think that you misunderstood my rhetorical question.  It is my 
>> experience/understanding that if a mentor makes an effort to review 
>> reports/releases then this mentor is actually doing a good job at it.  
>> It is my experience/understanding that the overwhelming problem is that 
>> mentors simply go MIA and do nothing at all.
>> 
>> I am in favor of #3 since it holds mentors accountable.  #1 is simply a 
>> washing of our hands and pawning the problem off on the board simple 
>> because some of us are unwilling to do uncomfortable things.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Alan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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