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From "Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)" <Ross.Gard...@microsoft.com>
Subject RE: Next steps for various proposals (mentor re-boot, pTLP, etc.)
Date Tue, 20 Jan 2015 16:02:18 GMT
My strawman, which included a board like IPMC, certainly wasn't about shutting out inconvenient
IPMC members, that is simply a ridiculous a d insulting suggestion (if it wasn't intended
in that way then fine, but it sure sounds like it).

My strawman was partly about consensus, but mostly about having a group if people who take
individual responsibility for doing the unpopular stuff when the  process is failing (which
is not the norm). Today it is rare for the IPMC to do that stuff, partly because it is hard
to gain consensus, but mostly because it has no teeth (a phrase I used a great deal in explaining
my strawman).

The goal is for that group to prevent the ongoing centralization of the IPMC and put the authority
back where it belongs, with active mentors engaged with the project community.

I know some people feel that having a smaller group results in greater centralization, but
that depends on who is a part of that group. The *only* goal of my strawman was to give the
IPMC accountability and teeth.

Sent from my Windows Phone
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From: Bertrand Delacretaz<mailto:bdelacretaz@apache.org>
Sent: ‎1/‎20/‎2015 6:46 AM
To: Incubator General<mailto:general@incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Next steps for various proposals (mentor re-boot, pTLP, etc.)

On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 3:35 PM, Alan D. Cabrera <list@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
> ...Isn’t it obvious what the above and IncubatorV2 proposal are about?  Consolidating
> like minded individuals into a new IPMC and shutting out the other inconvenient
> members until "they come to their senses”....

I don't buy that conspiracy theory, for me it's just very difficult to
build consensus in the Incubator as the goal is much fuzzier than
producing software.

But maybe I'm too candid ;-)

-Bertrand

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