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From "Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)" <Ross.Gard...@microsoft.com>
Subject RE: proposal: mentor re-boot
Date Thu, 08 Jan 2015 18:42:28 GMT
Yes, Benson. You should take it as a compliment that if the board invite you to do remain and
you agree then they trust you to be their "eyes and ears", and if necessary the person they
turn to in order to investigate a potentially issue. That's different from the mentor role
in the IPMC though.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Benson Margulies [mailto:bimargulies@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 10:36 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: proposal: mentor re-boot

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) < Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com>
wrote:

> Chip is correct. The tools we use in board meetings make it easy for 
> us to see how many PMC members in a TLP resolution are members. If 
> there are not enough we will sometimes put the project on an informal 
> "watch list" (as well as ensuring appropriate people from the PMC go 
> on the members watch list), occasionally we bounce the proposal back (this is pretty
rare).
>
> With my Directors hat on I don't want a member being there just for 
> mentoring, it confuses the evaluation since that person will appear as 
> a committed PMC member but will in fact be nothing more than a mentor. 
> What is important is that the PMC knows where to go for help when they 
> are unsure of something. That expertise can (and should be) be present 
> without a mentor or a Member on the PMC.
>
> Maybe there's a hair to be split here. On a few occasions, I was asked 
> by
board members if I would join a graduating PMC that I had mentored. I have never felt that
my role on these PMCs was to be a continuing mentor, it was to be a PMC member who had some
extra experience, and I have been gradually leaving them over time.

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