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From Alan Cabrera <l...@toolazydogs.com>
Subject Re: Next steps for various proposals (mentor re-boot, pTLP, etc.)
Date Tue, 20 Jan 2015 15:39:57 GMT

> On Jan 20, 2015, at 6:46 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacretaz@apache.org> wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 3:35 PM, Alan D. Cabrera <list@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
>> ...Isn’t it obvious what the above and IncubatorV2 proposal are about?  Consolidating
>> like minded individuals into a new IPMC and shutting out the other inconvenient
>> members until "they come to their senses”....
> 
> I don't buy that conspiracy theory, for me it's just very difficult to
> build consensus in the Incubator as the goal is much fuzzier than
> producing software.
> 
> But maybe I'm too candid ;-)

I am not espousing a conspiracy theory; there is no secret cabal formed after an ApaceCon
pub crawl. 

I too am being candid. I am merely providing an unvarnished distillation of what the proposals
virtually are.

Garnering consensus is difficult here, in part because of the fuzziness you mention, but also
because members have such different opinions as to what the Incubator function is and what
it means to be an Apache project.

Under the above proposals, that necessarily messy, frustrating, exhausting, process of garnering
consensus on the above thorny issues will not take place as philosophically compatible IPM
v2 members turn out Apache projects that fit their view.
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