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From "Alan D. Cabrera" <l...@toolazydogs.com>
Subject Re: Podlings should be in charge of their mentors (was: Incubator report sign-off)
Date Mon, 05 Jan 2015 19:06:25 GMT

On Jan 5, 2015, at 10:26 AM, jan i <jani@apache.org> wrote:

> On Monday, January 5, 2015, Alan D. Cabrera <list@toolazydogs.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','list@toolazydogs.com');>> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Jan 5, 2015, at 9:21 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <roman@shaposhnik.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> The tracking part is easy, though. What's difficult is the part
>>> that would require us to do something with poddlings put
>>> on hold. Unless we come up with clear exit criteria for
>>> this new state -- I don't think we're solving any real problems
>>> here.
>> 
>> There’s no silver bullet here, if a podling cannot whip up a mentor it’s
>> because:
>> the podling is not popular and should probably be retired anyway, being
>> put on hold will provide impetus for the podling to seek out a new venue
>> there are not enough mentors
>> There is no way to magically solve the latter.
> 
> 
> You mean popular within the pool of mentors (IPMC), the project can still
> be popular on several other scales.

I’m not speaking of popularity of mentors; I regret that choice of words.  I am stating
that active and healthy podlings seem to have no trouble attracting active mentors.

The converse seems to be true.  Unhealthy podlings seem to attract mentors who have signed
up out of pity and subsequently go MIA.

Before anyone replies, I understand this is not a hard and fast rule but an imperfect qualitative
observation on my part.

Anyway, active and responsible mentors will eventually get to all podlings.

> I might lack experience, but why do more active mentors guarantee that the
> podling will be a better TLP ?

I’m not sure who’s making that assertion.

> We try to solve the problem of mentors not being active but adding more
> volume. I don't believe that is the right cure.

We’re not adding volume.  The volume is already there.  We’re just making the state of
affairs more explicit and transparent and adding culpability for MIA mentors.

> I do agree with bernard that it is the podling that should ask for
> help....but the IPMC should solve it.,

Yes, it should help solve problems but if there are no mentors available there are no mentors
available.


Regards,
Alan


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