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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 14:59:10 +0100
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Subject: Re: P. An Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand
From: jan i <jani@apache.org>
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On Monday, December 22, 2014, Sean Owen <srowen@apache.org> wrote:

> I was going to ask the same. I've seen ~5 proposals now, and was
> surprised to see how they all copied and pasted the same boilerplate
> to answer several points, including this stanza about risk of
> excessive fascination with the brand.


being one that just championed a project, I can say that this question was
the least understandable, I only understood the difference after a
discussion. Maybe we could word it better. Something along the lines what
does brand apache mean to the project, compared to the apache way.

>
> I also suspect that there is excessive fascination, and that paying
> lip service to it as a risk is not really sufficient. That may be
> another discussion.
>
> But concretely: what about just asking proposers to not copy and paste
> past proposals? Surely it's not so much to ask the proposed project to
> address, individually and from scratch, the issues raised by the
> proposal process. Or, explicitly ask the proposal to address why the
> project should be part of the ASF, now -- that is, what *else* besides
> becoming "Apache Foo" is the motivation?

i think the question is a good idea. copy/paste is hard to avoid on some of
the questions.

rgds
jan i

>
> On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Jim Jagielski <jim@jagunet.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > I was wondering... What we *REALLY* want are projects
> > that are interested more in The Apache Way than in the
> > Apache Brand. We need to make it more clear, somehow,
> > that new projects want to enter the ASF because they
> > approve of, and want to follow, the *how* of creating
> > projects and communities. Lately, it appears, that we
> > have graduated projects which are more interested in
> > simply being able to add 'Apache' to their name, and
> > then deride/minimize/ignore/dispute most/all of the
> > aspects of The Apache Way which is what made the Apache
> > brand so valuable and noteworthy.
> >
> > Maybe we need to change the proposal guide.
> >
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