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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 10:39:49 -0500
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Subject: Re: Incubator report sign-off
From: Rich Bowen <rbowen@rcbowen.com>
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On Dec 30, 2014 10:27 AM, "John D. Ament" <john.d.ament@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon Dec 29 2014 at 9:50:49 AM Rich Bowen <rbowen@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On 12/21/2014 11:14 AM, John D. Ament wrote:
> > > I don't particularly like that idea.  For one, I know that if I were
to
> > see
> > > 50%+ of mentors on a project I'm a mentor on sign off on the report,
I'm
> > > probably going to look at things, but not add my signature.  Not out
of
> > > laziness, but in seeing that others are dealing with it as well and my
> > > signature is just more "noise" on the report.
> >
> > And as someone reviewing that report, it is *absolutely* not just noise.
> > It tells me that the mentors are engaged, and that are in tune with what
> > the podling is doing, and that the podling is listening to their mentors
> > are are learning the ropes.
> >
> > Podlings that have 100% mentor signoff indicate that everything is going
> > perfectly, and there's no reason for concern.
> >
> > Absolutely not just noise. Take the extra 2 seconds to add your sign
off.
> >
>
> I disagree.  Checking a check box is much different than adding meaningful
> comments, either on mailing lists or on the report itself.
>
> For example, which gives you better info that I feel confident in Tamaya's
> board report.
>
> My check here: https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/December2014
>
> or my comments in this thread:
>
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-tamaya-dev/201411.mbox/%3CCAOqetn8wkYuDNkTwkpKKOGzu%3Ds_cf4VMT5A9_e8mdpM6mOh-6Q%40mail.gmail.com%3E
>
> All the check does (from my point of view) is give someone a brief summary
> that things are looking good.  The check mark doesn't imply any due
> diligence on the mentor's part.  It's very misleading to see it that way.
> Take a look for example at the log4cxx2 podling's report.  It has mentor
> sign off, but the contents are barely present.  The only reason it has
> mentor sign off is because the mentor wrote the report, after I (as the
> shepherd) reminded the podling.
>
>

I was referring to tlp pmc chairs reporting to the board.

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