Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2027CC625 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 10:13:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 68359 invoked by uid 500); 30 Dec 2014 10:13:54 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 68176 invoked by uid 500); 30 Dec 2014 10:13:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 68160 invoked by uid 99); 30 Dec 2014 10:13:51 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 10:13:51 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_REPLY,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of gstein@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.177 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.212.177] (HELO mail-wi0-f177.google.com) (209.85.212.177) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 10:13:46 +0000 Received: by mail-wi0-f177.google.com with SMTP id l15so23760779wiw.10 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 02:12:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=iMZ3H/yAYn2joypRNZIs2GG6BBaV1gShrgsIFE5Dlcw=; b=F/mgcXB6A5qrCrHEhKAUtH1QIeph3wB3ZC/SArvI74O3JKEoXK0MN9sISKZpXP3JLw K9yjEd4w4G8M1sac6Xo5msys56lVshk93mT3evgp4OgIDpVL2x9gdsF/+elZyZdCgGpp 4Rd+v9b1xRdzrt1YssW7LeXoC3bpQ3Uj4g8h9S098/C1+CDiRltRay0eQcq1jQOP0Lx/ PgXkArRK1AiE3OceDfUR+ZVKtTOCv3vS59eDuklKJix0ChWE+QYjhCWDHP5iw2ykrNyn lRkZbh/y9p4A9yuux/1LDdIzKBfNk6tStAtG2GLpOzzq0Chg4nzsRqJi5eo5eSNpVpJa JaiA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.12.75 with SMTP id w11mr106465500wib.9.1419934360579; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 02:12:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.19.72 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 02:12:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <54945C1D.5050906@rcbowen.com> <54A1692C.1080704@rcbowen.com> <54A1B0B2.6060100@rcbowen.com> <154C3656-5832-41A2-8125-AAAA82DF4DB4@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 04:12:40 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Incubator report sign-off From: Greg Stein To: general@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c23d282b1006050b6c3b47 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --001a11c23d282b1006050b6c3b47 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 4:04 AM, jan i wrote: > On Tuesday, December 30, 2014, Bertrand Delacretaz > > wrote: > > > On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 9:32 PM, Andrew Purtell > > > wrote: > > > ...Certainly some projects have a de facto lead that coincide with > Chair > > and I'm pretty sure > > > in some cases that is an honorary arrangement agreed to by the > > community.... > > > > *loud red alarms going off all over my brain* > > > > If that's the case, such projects should make sure they implement a > > regular PMC chair rotation. Or be prepared to go down in flames once > > that leader changes their mind and no one has a clue how their project > > runs. > > big +1....actually the chair rotation is something we should consider > having as a rule (and allow deviations for good reasins). > I cannot see the Board ever mandating chair rotations. That is up to the community. As long as the chair/VP remains administrative, then there isn't a problem. We have *many* chairs across the Foundation (myself included) that have been in their position for many years. It works well because we *support* the project, rather than any attempt to direct, steer, or lead based upon that position. The VP is the link between a project's needs and the Foundation's support for that project, along with bidirectional communication. For projects that don't understand the difference between "supportive" and "lead": yeah, they could use a dose of trout-slapping and a chair rotation or three. Cheers, -g --001a11c23d282b1006050b6c3b47--