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From "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov>
Subject Re: Incubator report sign-off
Date Fri, 19 Dec 2014 22:18:25 GMT
Thank you Benson. And that food fight taught me a lot too and
so did the conversations with you.

Cheers and happy holidays.

Chris

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Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Chief Architect
Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
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Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
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-----Original Message-----
From: Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com>
Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
Date: Friday, December 19, 2014 at 12:15 PM
To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Incubator report sign-off

>Back when I was trying to be the chair of this operation, we (ChrisM &
>I & others) had a lovely old food fight about Chris M's proposal. It
>seems to me that the fundamental situation as I saw it remains: this
>is a proposal to the board to dissolve the IPMC and replace it with
>something else. And just to be clear: I think that it's a _good idea_
>as a proposal to the board.
>
>I think that it amounts to making the Foundation's policy be:
>
>    You can launch a new project in the Foundation if you can recruit
>three foundation members (or others acceptable to the board) as the
>nucleus of your PMC to teach you the ropes and ensure that policies
>are respected; from the start, you're an 'incubating TLP' reporting to
>the board like all other TLPs.
>
>I don't think that those three people have, necessarily to be coders.
>But they have to be fully engaged  -- they have to be members of the
>community and the PMC.
>
>It seems to me that any scheme short of this is guaranteed to end up
>right back where we are; struggling to simulate working PMCs with
>shepherds and mentors and champions and, I don't know, curators and
>wardens and counselors.
>
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