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From Reto Gmür <r...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [Proposal] TinkerPop: A Graph Computing Framework
Date Thu, 18 Dec 2014 18:59:23 GMT
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net> wrote:
>
> On 12/18/2014 11:16 AM, Marko Rodriguez wrote:
>
>> Hello Jake,
>>
>> When talking with Sam Ruby (cc:d) we voiced our concerns about moving
>> all of our infrastructure over to The Apache Foundation. In particular,
>> our GitHub presence and our public user-mailing list (i.e. tech support
>> mailing list). I have articulated our concerns in the freshly updated
>> proposal.
>>
>> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/TinkerPopProposal
>> Please see "W. Mailing Lists", "Y. Git Repository", and "X. Subversion
>> Directory".
>>
>> Sam Ruby had stated that using GitHub for source control is an accepted
>> practice now.
>>
>
> Let's split that into two pieces.
>
> Git is a DVCS, which means that it can be at multiple places.  Using git
> for source control is an accepted practice at the ASF now.  GitHub can be
> one of the places.
>

The important aspect I think is that the one who pushes should endorse all
new commits including those by other developers. Automatically transferring
code from another place could only be an option if it can be ensured that
only committers can be push to that repository.

>From the ASF perspective, GitHub is a mirror.  From GitHub's perspective,
> the ASF is a mirror.
>
> None of this means that you can't use pull requests.  Examples:
>
> https://github.com/apache/spark/pulls
> https://github.com/deltacloud/deltacloud-core/pulls
> https://github.com/apache/camel/pulls
>
> (These just happen to be the top three hits on a Google search for "apache
> github pull requests").
>

I don't find an example for "apache github issues", I guess infra could
enable it. A problem with allowing Github issues is how to close them when
no commit would otherwise be needed (as in WONT FIX). I don't know how this
is done for pull-requests that are not accepted.

Cheers,
Reto


>
>  We can (though would prefer not to) move our issue
>> tracking to JIRA. Again, we have all been using GitHub issue tracking
>> for 5 years and are comfortable with its interface. Likewise, we can
>> (though would prefer not to), move our user mailing list to Apache's
>> mail list system. If a distinction is made between "user mailing list"
>> (tech support) and "contributor mailing list" (governance), we can (and
>> would prefer) to move over our "TinkerPop Contributors" mailing list to
>> ASF as this is where all the legal/political/governance discussion occur
>> and should be under the purview of ASF.
>>
>
> The current tinkerpop mailing lists are indeed quite active.  I believe it
> would be possible for an ASF mailing list to be subscribed to each of these
> and satisfy ASF requirements in this manner.
>
>  Thoughts?,
>> Marko.
>>
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
>  http://markorodriguez.com
>>
>> On Dec 17, 2014, at 7:42 PM, Jake Farrell <jfarrell@apache.org
>> <mailto:jfarrell@apache.org>> wrote:
>>
>>  Hey Marko
>>> Thank you for posting the proposal to the wiki. The proposal has the
>>> requested infra for issues, wiki, mailing lists, and scm all still at
>>> github. These sections will have to be edited to bring everything over to
>>> ASF hardware. Please take a look at other proposals listed for an idea
>>> and
>>> if you have any questions please let us know
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Jake
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 7:56 PM, Marko Rodriguez <okrammarko@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:okrammarko@gmail.com>>
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>
>>>> I have put the proposal on the wiki page.
>>>>
>>>> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/TinkerPopProposal
>>>>
>>>> As requested by Roman, I updated the Affiliations section. Note that I
>>>> would love to tweak more but there is a 1 minute turn around time when I
>>>> hit 'preview' or 'save changes' on the wiki. It started driving me
>>>> mad so I
>>>> stopped.
>>>>
>>>> Please advise on desired edits and I will do so. Moreover, I will make
>>>> things much cleaner once the wiki interface speeds up (hopefully its
>>>> just a
>>>> 'burp' in the software right now).
>>>>
>>>> Finally, I will review the individuals who noted they would like to
>>>> "champion" or "mentor" TinkerPop. I will read more about them, what
>>>> these
>>>> roles are, and provide thoughts to this thread once I fully grasp the
>>>> situation.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you again,
>>>> Marko.
>>>>
>>>> http://markorodriguez.com
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 17, 2014, at 5:25 PM, Henry Saputra <henry.saputra@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  No way, Marko! This is AWESOME!!
>>>>>
>>>>> As many people had mentioned before, you need Champion who is Apache
>>>>>
>>>> member and mentors who are member of Incubator PMCs.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And please do follow the format of the proposal as Hadrian mentioned
in
>>>>>
>>>> his reply.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So excited!
>>>>>
>>>>> - Henry
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
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