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From Ted Dunning <ted.dunn...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Incubator report sign-off
Date Tue, 30 Dec 2014 18:24:45 GMT
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 7:26 AM, John D. Ament <john.d.ament@gmail.com>
wrote:

> > Absolutely not just noise. Take the extra 2 seconds to add your sign off.
> >
>
> I disagree.  Checking a check box is much different than adding meaningful
> comments, either on mailing lists or on the report itself.
>
> For example, which gives you better info that I feel confident in Tamaya's
> board report.
>
> My check here: https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/December2014
>
> or my comments in this thread:
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-tamaya-dev/201411.mbox/%3CCAOqetn8wkYuDNkTwkpKKOGzu%3Ds_cf4VMT5A9_e8mdpM6mOh-6Q%40mail.gmail.com%3E
>
> All the check does (from my point of view) is give someone a brief summary
> that things are looking good.  The check mark doesn't imply any due
> diligence on the mentor's part.  It's very misleading to see it that way.
> Take a look for example at the log4cxx2 podling's report.  It has mentor
> sign off, but the contents are barely present.  The only reason it has
> mentor sign off is because the mentor wrote the report, after I (as the
> shepherd) reminded the podling.
>

John,

Are you seriously suggesting that the board should be delving into all the
incubator mailing lists to determine whether you are paying attention to
your mentoree groups?

The check-box is the concise way that you indicate that the activity on the
mailing lists is happening.  There is a known defect with checkboxes in
that they can be ticked without mentoring activity behind them, but that
doesn't mean that we should introduce a new failure mechanism where there
is good activity but no tick box.

Yes, the tick box is supposed to be an echo.  It is a redundant
summarization.  And it is very helpful because all the tick boxes are in
one place for easier review.

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