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From Roman Shaposhnik <>
Subject Re: P. An Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand
Date Tue, 23 Dec 2014 18:53:31 GMT
tl;dr; agree with a problem statement, don't think
that proposal wording has much to do with solving
the problem, would love to see mentors do more.

On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 5:21 AM, Jim Jagielski <> wrote:
> I was wondering... What we *REALLY* want are projects
> that are interested more in The Apache Way than in the
> Apache Brand. We need to make it more clear, somehow,
> that new projects want to enter the ASF because they
> approve of, and want to follow, the *how* of creating
> projects and communities.

A very strong +1 to that.

> Lately, it appears, that we
> have graduated projects which are more interested in
> simply being able to add 'Apache' to their name, and
> then deride/minimize/ignore/dispute most/all of the
> aspects of The Apache Way which is what made the Apache
> brand so valuable and noteworthy.
> Maybe we need to change the proposal guide.

Fine-tuning proposal guide would be helpful ("patches"
are always welcome).

That said, I *really* don't think it would have any impact
on the problem stated above. The real answer lies in
mentors/champions who are diligent about guiding
poddlings towards true understanding of the Apache Way.
There's a separate thread on how to make mentors
more accountable.

IOW, if we want a change in poddling behavior, I'd rather
focus on incubation/graduation process rather than
entrance criteria.


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