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From Roman Shaposhnik <>
Subject Re: Incubator report sign-off
Date Wed, 31 Dec 2014 03:54:06 GMT
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 6:23 PM, Benson Margulies <> wrote:
> I'd like to look at this through a lens of failure analysis. How do
> podlings fail? I see two main patterns.
> 1. Failure to build a community. These are the podlings that we find
> adrift in space with the lights on but no one home on the mailing
> list.
> 2. Failure to build an _Apache_ community. These are the podlings that
> JimJag was referring to in another thread; they are here, perhaps, for
> the brand, perhaps launched/dumped here by a commercial enterprise.
> They have people, they make releases, but there's an empty resonant
> cavity where the Apache Way is supposed to be.
> We observe missing mentors in both cases, but I claim that it's only a
> serious problem in the second case. In the first case, the problem
> isn't lack of supervision.
> Here is where the 'Mentors in the Project' (whether directly reporting
> to the board or not) leaps up and looks like a great idea to me. The
> whole goal of incubation is to run an Apache project on training
> wheels. How does an Apache project run? WIth a chair and PMC members
> supervising it and _reporting to the board_.  The proposal, as I see
> it, is to tell the champion and other mentors that they, and not the
> entire IPMC in some nebulous fashion, are the PMC in the PPMC. By the
> time the podling graduates, their need to have expanded themselves to
> a larger group.
> The board may choose to keep the IPMC around to organize and support
> this process. The board may choose to continue to ask the IPMC to add
> an extra layer of supervision. But the heart of the proposal is to
> insist that every podling be nucleated around at least three people
> who have the experience to operate as a PMC and have volunteered for
> the responsibility.

I really like what you're saying. How can we make it a reality? Petition
the board?


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