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From "Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)" <>
Subject RE: Incubator report sign-off
Date Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:46:39 GMT
In Apache there is no such thing as a "Project Leader"

The PMC Chair has no more authority over the project than anyone else.

The PMC Chair absolutely does *not* have the power to dissolve the PMC. Only the Board of
Directors have that authority and they will only do that at the request of the PMC as a whole
(or when there is no active PMC to make such a request).


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Purtell [] 
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Incubator report sign-off

There are honorary and practical reasons why a project may view the PMC Chair and the project
leader as one in the same. 

Honorary: The community elevated one member as lead and assigned the Chair role out of respect.

Practical: The PMC Chair has the power to dissolve the PMC, and is an officer of the Foundation.
Nobody else on the project has such power nor indemnification. "Secretary" as a term does
not adequately encompass that.

> On Dec 29, 2014, at 6:46 AM, Rich Bowen <> wrote:
> On 12/23/2014 03:34 PM, sebb wrote:
>>> Flex had three great mentors, but to expect them to be the PMC Chair 
>>> on
>>> >graduation would have been problematic.  They were great mentors 
>>> >because they had lots of experience from their work on other Apache 
>>> >projects, and thus didn’t have time to stay active on a new TLP, 
>>> >plus they really weren’t users or developers of the technology, 
>>> >just our coaches on the Apache Way, and thus wouldn’t be good Chair 
>>> >candidates as they weren’t as invested in the technology.  But they 
>>> >did stick around on at least the private@ lists and continue to do 
>>> >so even 2 years after graduation where we consult them on occasion.  
>>> >To require that a mentor be an active contributor limits the kinds 
>>> >of technologies that can come to Apache to only those who can interest someone
with a lot of spare cycles.
>>> >
>>> >IMO, the mentors job is to teach, not to lead.
>> The job of the PMC chair is almost entirely administrative.
>> They are the link between the board and the PMC and their main role 
>> is to ensure the board gets timely reports and to feed back comments 
>> from the board.
>> If a PMC is relying on the chair to drive it forward technically, 
>> then I think something has gone wrong with the PMC.
> Indeed. Big +1 on this.
> There are some projects that I've been watching lately where the PMC chair is viewed
as the project lead, and that has a number of problems that go along with it. The PMC chair
is a secretary, whose job is to file the right paperwork. A *hugely* important role, but not
a technical lead role.
> --
> Rich Bowen - - @rbowen - 
> @apachecon
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