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From Daniel Gruno <>
Subject Re: [Proposal] TinkerPop: A Graph Computing Framework
Date Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:36:12 GMT

On 2014-12-18 17:28, Sam Ruby wrote:
> On 12/18/2014 11:16 AM, Marko Rodriguez wrote:
>> Hello Jake,
>> When talking with Sam Ruby (cc:d) we voiced our concerns about moving
>> all of our infrastructure over to The Apache Foundation. In particular,
>> our GitHub presence and our public user-mailing list (i.e. tech support
>> mailing list). I have articulated our concerns in the freshly updated
>> proposal.
>> Please see "W. Mailing Lists", "Y. Git Repository", and "X. Subversion
>> Directory".
>> Sam Ruby had stated that using GitHub for source control is an accepted
>> practice now.
> Let's split that into two pieces.
> Git is a DVCS, which means that it can be at multiple places. Using 
> git for source control is an accepted practice at the ASF now.  GitHub 
> can be one of the places.
> From the ASF perspective, GitHub is a mirror.  From GitHub's 
> perspective, the ASF is a mirror.
No, from GitHub's perspective, ASF is the canonical source. There is no 
way to twist this into anything else.
It says right on every single Apache GitHub mirror that it is "Mirrored 

You cannot merge pull requests from GitHub via GitHub, that's simply not 
going to work, and it should be plenty clear to everyone by now why that 
is the case.

With regards,
> None of this means that you can't use pull requests.  Examples:
> (These just happen to be the top three hits on a Google search for 
> "apache github pull requests").
>> We can (though would prefer not to) move our issue
>> tracking to JIRA. Again, we have all been using GitHub issue tracking
>> for 5 years and are comfortable with its interface. Likewise, we can
>> (though would prefer not to), move our user mailing list to Apache's
>> mail list system. If a distinction is made between "user mailing list"
>> (tech support) and "contributor mailing list" (governance), we can (and
>> would prefer) to move over our "TinkerPop Contributors" mailing list to
>> ASF as this is where all the legal/political/governance discussion occur
>> and should be under the purview of ASF.
> The current tinkerpop mailing lists are indeed quite active.  I 
> believe it would be possible for an ASF mailing list to be subscribed 
> to each of these and satisfy ASF requirements in this manner.
>> Thoughts?,
>> Marko.
> - Sam Ruby
>> On Dec 17, 2014, at 7:42 PM, Jake Farrell <
>> <>> wrote:
>>> Hey Marko
>>> Thank you for posting the proposal to the wiki. The proposal has the
>>> requested infra for issues, wiki, mailing lists, and scm all still at
>>> github. These sections will have to be edited to bring everything 
>>> over to
>>> ASF hardware. Please take a look at other proposals listed for an 
>>> idea and
>>> if you have any questions please let us know
>>> Thanks
>>> -Jake
>>> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 7:56 PM, Marko Rodriguez <
>>> <>>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>> I have put the proposal on the wiki page.
>>>> As requested by Roman, I updated the Affiliations section. Note that I
>>>> would love to tweak more but there is a 1 minute turn around time 
>>>> when I
>>>> hit 'preview' or 'save changes' on the wiki. It started driving me
>>>> mad so I
>>>> stopped.
>>>> Please advise on desired edits and I will do so. Moreover, I will make
>>>> things much cleaner once the wiki interface speeds up (hopefully its
>>>> just a
>>>> 'burp' in the software right now).
>>>> Finally, I will review the individuals who noted they would like to
>>>> "champion" or "mentor" TinkerPop. I will read more about them, what 
>>>> these
>>>> roles are, and provide thoughts to this thread once I fully grasp the
>>>> situation.
>>>> Thank you again,
>>>> Marko.
>>>> On Dec 17, 2014, at 5:25 PM, Henry Saputra <>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> No way, Marko! This is AWESOME!!
>>>>> As many people had mentioned before, you need Champion who is Apache
>>>> member and mentors who are member of Incubator PMCs.
>>>>> And please do follow the format of the proposal as Hadrian 
>>>>> mentioned in
>>>> his reply.
>>>>> So excited!
>>>>> - Henry
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