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From jan i <j...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Proposals - wiki required?
Date Sun, 23 Nov 2014 16:40:27 GMT
On 23 November 2014 at 17:20, Marvin Humphrey <marvin@rectangular.com>
wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 6:40 AM, Alan D. Cabrera <list@toolazydogs.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> Does anyone mind if I rephrase the page to make it mandatory to use the
> >> wiki for proposals?
> >
> > I’m sorry I was “out" the past few weeks.  What proposal attempted to
> post a
> > proposal that was not on the wiki?  What problem did that cause?
>
> I agree that we don't want to criminalize failure to adhere to procedural
> minutiae.
>
> > IMO, it doesn’t matter so long as the original vote to accept the
> proposal
> > includes the entire proposal.
>
> It would be inconvenient if people don't use the wiki or some other form
> where
> the evolution of the proposal can be inspected using diffs.  Close reading
> of
> proposal text is costly; serious flaws can hide in small crevices.  We
> don't
> want those weighing a proposal to have to perform careful review a second
> time
> for the VOTE thread.
>
> However, until there's an actual problem with people not using the wiki, we
> don't want to put ourselves in a position where we say "you MUST use the
> wiki"
> and then ignore our own rules and accept a proposal anyway.
>
> > We should always be thinking less rules, less process, less roles.
>
> +1
>
> Rules which are byzantine and opaque are hard to follow and hard to
> enforce.
> Cumbersome regulation favors the establishment, and we want to foster
> innovation by newcomers.
>

I think I am a bit lost here, or we talk in reality about 2 themes.

I dont want to criminalize anybody, but on the other hand I would like to
have 1 common place where to look for accepted proposals.

Having the proposals, at least after acceptance, in one place should be
beneficial to everyone, so how about wording it as a strong suggestion.

rgds
jan i.



> Marvin Humphrey
>
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