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From jan i <j...@apache.org>
Subject Re: IP clearance clarification: copyright notices
Date Fri, 14 Nov 2014 22:11:59 GMT
On 14 November 2014 21:38, David Nalley <david@gnsa.us> wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 5:18 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> <bdelacretaz@apache.org> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > In the vote thread about [1] a question came up about the following
> > clause, from our IP clearance form:
> >
> >> Check and make sure that the files that have been donated have been
> >> updated to reflect the new ASF copyright.
> >
> > I think this actually covers two distinct things:
> >
> > 1) Moving any existing non-Apache copyright notices to a NOTICE file,
> > if the owner of the donated code wants that, or otherwise removing
> > them or making them smaller to avoid bloating the code with multiple
> > copyright notices., if possible. All done by whoever donates the code
> > - as per the "Should a project move non-ASF copyright notices from
> > Apache source files to the NOTICE file?" section in [2], we don't want
> > to that ourselves.
> >
> > 2) Adding Apache copyright/license headers where required
> >
> > IMO there's no need for 2) to happen before the donation, that just
> > has to happen before the first release of that code.
> >
>
> > [2] http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html
>
>
> I agree with this.
> The FAQ at the bottom of [2] says that it applies to all releases
> occurring after $date.
> Source without ASF headers is not an issue until you release. (And
> indeed, many things that we don't release do not contain such
> headers.)
>
I am sorry, but I really do not understand why the release is THE moment.
If we wait to change the headers until a release, but do other changes in
the file before that, these changes are done with the old license, and as a
consequence, headers can only be changed with the written approval of the
original donator as well as the people who have made changes later
(independent whether or not they have filed a icla).....why do we want that
extra complication.

Remeber the license in the file precedes any cla the developer might or
might not have filed.

I agree that for files without changes a release is the latest moment.

rgds
jan I.


>
>
> 1) should be taken care of before the IP Clearance.
> As Marvin notes below, the inclusion of a header does not change its
> legal status, it merely is present for clarity (and because policy
> demands it in released files)
>
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