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From "Dennis E. Hamilton" <dennis.hamil...@acm.org>
Subject RE: Proposals - wiki required?
Date Sun, 23 Nov 2014 19:59:01 GMT
+1 on Jan's observations, below.

Also, from my experience with the Proposal for Apache OpenOffice and a few others, there is
considerable refinement of proposals from first draft to the version that is essentially frozen
at the time of podling-acceptance balloting.  The Wiki is perfect for this, as is community
involvement in the refinement. (Some podling proposals are a bit more "closely-held" than
the way the AOO one was developed and edited, so *maybe* that doesn't matter so much.)  The
key thing is that early proposals are moving targets and while some are advanced by a single
benevolent editor, it is useful to have a wiki for the ground-truth du jour, addition of initial
committers, etc.

-----Original Message-----
From: jan i [mailto:jani@apache.org] 
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 11:00
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Proposals - wiki required?

On 23 November 2014 at 19:41, Alan Cabrera <list@toolazydogs.com> wrote:

[ ... ]

> As for storing them in one place after acceptance, why?
>
SImple so that new "recruits" can go and get ideas of how to interpret the
different headlines. The headlines might be simple to you, but I had to
look at some proposals to understand some of the headlines.

I am champion for 2 projects (one seems to go in another direction) and
found it very useful to point the projects at the wiki. It saved my quite a
lot of explanations (and discussions). I have found that projects who want
to join, dont really understand how/why a proposal is needed, giving
examples of successful projects makes that part a lot easier.


>
> Adding strongly worded "should"s dilutes guidelines and adds to the
> reading homework of new podlings that will already have the good sense to
> use a wiki, or something better that us old folk haven't thought of.
>

Like you I am against "rules", and I don't care whether its wiki or foo, I
simply like to know where I can find "real life" proposals. My idea of
using "should" instead of "rule" was to signal, that it must be stored
somewhere, preferable (for now) in wiki.

Seen with my iPMC hat on, it is a bit of history that we should not throw
away, I used it a couple of times on a couple of projects to see how they
have evolved.

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