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From "Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)" <Ross.Gard...@microsoft.com>
Subject RE: Code Donations and Committer Righs
Date Fri, 26 Sep 2014 17:04:47 GMT
OK. I will give you my personal opinion since you are seeking to drive consensus...

I would say that if the code is of sufficient quality and relevance for the project to want
to accept it then contributors should be given commit rights. The debate should really about
whether they get PMC membership as well. If the community is not 100% behind bringing in the
committers then perhaps the solution is to only give them a commit bit and ask them to earn
merit in the project to get PMC membership.

Some people would argue they should get PMC membership too. Normally I would be in this camp
(I like commit + PMC in almost all cases), however in this case I might argue that these individuals
have not yet demonstrated that they understand the Apache Way and thus their merit is in code
only. 

Others will likely have different opinions - ultimately the PMC needs to decide what is right
for their community.

Ross



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-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Harui [mailto:aharui@adobe.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 9:42 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Code Donations and Committer Righs

Hi Ross,

Yes, I am asking here because of lack of consensus in the Flex project.
In this particular scenario the Flex TLP has received a donation from non-committers.  I know
one of our mentors mentioned that he was given committer rights to different project for bringing
in a code base after that project got started.  Most of the Flex PMC seems to agree, but I
was looking for data from other projects to support this.

-Alex


On 9/26/14 9:00 AM, "Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)"
<Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com> wrote:

>It really depends on the project. I don't think there are enough cases 
>of code coming into an existing project via SGA to be able to say "most 
>projects". Fact is most have never faced this issue. I could give you 
>my personal opinion but I'm pretty sure someone on this list would have 
>a different opinion. This is something best discussed with the 
>receiving project and brought here if there is a lack of consensus.
>
>If the code is coming in as a new project then the normal incubating 
>proposal process sees a list of initial committers - in other words for 
>a new project then it would be expected that all original contributors 
>(that wanted to come along) would be given commit rights. Though 
>whether that is the case or not depends on the proposers/champion/mentor.
>
>Ross
>
>Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc.
>A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation
>MS Open Tech is hiring! Ask me for details if anyone you know is 
>interested (http://aka.ms/msopentechjobs)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Alex Harui [mailto:aharui@adobe.com]
>Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 8:57 PM
>To: general@incubator.apache.org
>Subject: Code Donations and Committer Righs
>
>I'd like to know: if a code base is donated to Apache under a Software 
>Grant, do most projects grant committer rights to the code authors at 
>the same time or do most projects require that the donors submit 
>patches as other non-committers normally do?
>
>Thanks,
>-Alex
>
>
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