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From Ross Gardler <rgard...@opendirective.com>
Subject Re: Mentors heartbeat
Date Thu, 04 Sep 2014 16:25:13 GMT
I said *this* measure was bad, yes. I also explicitly said that I limit my
comments to *this* specific example tooling - I don't see value in counting
"ticks" on a piece of virtual paper over a period of three years. I care
about who is doing a great job today.

Tim suggests a good way to stop this being metric based and more tool based
(i.e. finding mentors who are MIA and thus finding projects that don't have
sufficient coverage). That being said, since the IPMC review the reports
I'm not sure why this is even needed. But I don't see harm in doing it this
way so I'll leave it right there.

Ross







On 4 September 2014 07:31, Chris Mattmann <mattmann@apache.org> wrote:

> Seriously, give me a break.
>
> This has been discussed ad naseum - It's a quick simple measure
> to see if one of the stated requirements for mentors (reading the
> monthly report, and *signing that you read it*) has been fulfilled.
> It means nothing more than that. I didn't say good. I didn't say bad.
> You did.
>
> Statistics are simply that - statistics. Meaning is derived from them
> in multiple ways. You showing up on this list simply means at one point
> over the past 3-4 years, you thought that putting your name on one of
> those wiki pages was important enough to do so, 14 times.
>
> Anyone that would like to let their coding/scripting do the talking,
> I invite you to.
>
> Until then, feel free to send more email messages debating this message
> and the follow on reply that I won't be sending, and any further messages
> to yourself and others after that.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "rgardler@opendirective.com" <rgardler@opendirective.com>
> Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
> Date: Thursday, September 4, 2014 12:05 AM
> To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: RE: Mentors heartbeat
>
> >Surely we are not going to start counting signing off on a report as
> >indicative of good/bad mentoring?
> >
> >What's important is whether podlings are getting what they need from
> >their mentors. Besides,  someone who has actively mentored one new
> >podling through initial setup in a first month will have one "tick" while
> >someone else who has done little more than sign off on reports for the
> >years will have many "ticks".
> >
> >Case in point, I've not actively mentored a project for at least a couple
> >of years (I just signed up to one this month), yet according to this
> >measure I am one of the more active mentors.
> >
> >Lets not demean the work good new mentors are doing by counting a few
> >characters on a wiki page.
> >
> >Note, I'm not saying rolling to assist the incubator and mentors is a bad
> >thing. I'm saying this specific example is a bad thing.
> >
> >Sent from my Windows Phone
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov>
> >Sent: ?9/?3/?2014 10:25 PM
> >To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
> >Subject: Re: Mentors heartbeat
> >
> >These are the "signed off" per month mentors per podling over
> >the last 3 years. So it measures how many times a mentor has
> >signed off (summed across all podlings) during that time span.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Chris
> >
> >
> >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> >Chief Architect
> >Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> >NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> >Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> >Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> >WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> >University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Konstantin Boudnik <cos@apache.org>
> >Reply-To: <general@incubator.apache.org>
> >Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2014 10:11 PM
> >To: <general@incubator.apache.org>
> >Subject: Re: Mentors heartbeat
> >
> >>Arguably, the number of mentored project doesn't reflect "the activity"
> >>per
> >>se. Unless I am missing something.
> >>
> >>Cos
> >>
> >>On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 04:46AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) wrote:
> >>> Guys, +1 to eventually doing this with JSON and YAML. The big problem
> >>> I see is curation (someone has to maintain it). Right now board reports
> >>> and the wiki are what's used to make the report, so feel free to use my
> >>> scripts for now until those are changed over. For example, I just ran
> >>>them
> >>> right now (with some major pythonic updates to sniff mentors, and to
> >>> map name to committer ID, and updating years and months to current and
> >>> here's what I get):
> >>>
> >>> 29 phunt
> >>>   24 tomwhite
> >>>   24 rvs
> >>>   24 mattmann
> >>>   23 cdouglas
> >>>   20 hsaputra
> >>>   18 bdelacretaz
> >>>   18 arvind
> >>>   16 adc
> >>>   14 smarru
> >>>   14 rgardler
> >>>   14 olamy
> >>>   14 gates
> >>>   13 jfarrell
> >>>   12 kevan
> >>>   11 tdunning
> >>>   11 jim
> >>>   11 grobmeier
> >>>   11 ddas
> >>>   10 omalley
> >>>    9 mfranklin
> >>>    8 wave
> >>>    8 lresende
> >>>    8 jbonofre
> >>>    8 ate
> >>>    7 twilliams
> >>>    7 rfrovarp
> >>>    7 ke4qqq
> >>>    7 jukka
> >>>    6 jzb
> >>>    6 acmurthy
> >>>    5 struberg
> >>>    5 nslater
> >>>    5 marrs
> >>>    5 lewismc
> >>>    5 greddin
> >>>    5 bodewig
> >>>    4 thorsten
> >>>    4 mahadev
> >>>    4 joes
> >>>    4 jghoman
> >>>    4 gsingers
> >>>    4 fmui
> >>>    3 upayavira
> >>>    3 tommaso
> >>>    3 stevenn
> >>>    3 ssc
> >>>    3 snoopdave
> >>>    3 nick
> >>>    3 marvin
> >>>    3 hwright
> >>>    3 gstein
> >>>    3 gianugo
> >>>    3 chipchilders
> >>>    3 benh
> >>>    3 apurtell
> >>>    2 todd
> >>>    2 larsh
> >>>    2 jochen
> >>>    2 jmclean
> >>>    2 dkulp
> >>>    2 dennisl
> >>>    2 dashorst
> >>>    2 cutting
> >>>    2 antelder
> >>>    1 yegor
> >>>    1 wrowe
> >>>    1 wavw
> >>>    1 stack
> >>>    1 simonetripodi
> >>>    1 robweir
> >>>    1 rmannibucau
> >>>    1 rfeng
> >>>    1 rbircher
> >>>    1 nandana
> >>>    1 mnour
> >>>    1 jvermillard
> >>>    1 fchrist
> >>>    1 enis
> >>>    1 elecharny
> >>>    1 cos
> >>>    1 coheigea
> >>>    1 brett
> >>>    1 bmargulies
> >>>    1 berndf
> >>>    1 asavory
> >>>    1 ant
> >>>    1 akarasulu
> >>>    1 ahart
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> >>> Chief Architect
> >>> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> >>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> >>> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> >>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> >>> WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> >>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: "Alan D. Cabrera" <list@toolazydogs.com>
> >>> Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org
> >
> >>> Date: Sunday, August 24, 2014 10:54 AM
> >>> To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: Mentors heartbeat
> >>>
> >>> >
> >>> >On Aug 24, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Alan D. Cabrera <list@toolazydogs.com>
> >>> >wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >>>> I am not so sure if its worth while with the board report.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> What's good for the goose is good for the gander.  Having the board
> >>> >>report in machine readable formats provides the same advantages
as
> >>>that
> >>> >>afforded incubator reports.
> >>> >
> >>> >If these machine readable reports work out, I see no reason why they
> >>> >would not, then I predict an explosion of tool driven processes, e.g.
> >>> >release voting, podling acceptance and graduation votes, etc.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >Regards,
> >>> >Alan
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
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