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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 09:33:42 -0700
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Subject: Re: Podling binding votes
From: Henry Saputra <henry.saputra@gmail.com>
To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
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This is conflicting from what the site said about governance of podling.
PPMC is a part of podling and responsible to manage the podling on behalf
of IPMC.

I suppose you meant that their votes do not bind but saying it was never
part of the structure is misleading or we need to update the ASF website
about incubator roles page.

On Friday, July 25, 2014, Ross Gardler <rgardler@opendirective.com> wrote:

> The PPMC is not, and never has been, a formally recognized part of our
> structure. But as I said that's a technicality in this context, the project
> (PPMC) are the people who really matter from the projects perspective, even
> though their votes are not binding.
>
> The thread seems to be in agreement in response to Justin's specific
> question.
>
> On 25 Jul 2014 01:20, "John D. Ament" <john.d.ament@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> > Ross,
> >
> > The incubator website would be inclined to disagree, and seems to
> > acknowledge there is formally a PPMC at [1].
> >
> > Justin,
> >
> > I think formally, if you review [2] (you may also want to scroll down,
> and
> > review later parts of this page on voting), you'll see that the PPMC
> votes
> > really don't count for anything other than merit.  The IPMC vote is what
> > really counts.  If you follow that page verbatim, the votes by the IPMC
> are
> > the only ones that count.
> >
> > If you follow the alternative voting method, found at [3], you'll see
> that
> > votes via PPMC are acceptable if and only if the IPMC has agreed to such.
> >
> >
> > [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html
> > [2]:
> >
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html#best-practice-incubator-release-vote
> > [3]:
> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Releases
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Ross Gardler <
> rgardler@opendirective.com <javascript:;>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > There is no formal PPMC. When a podling is created all initial
> committers
> > > are equal. I guess some podlings might create the concept of a separate
> > > PPMC during incubation. I've never advised that in my own podlings
> > > (probably because I'm a believer in an absolute minimum barrier to
> entry).
> > > I guess it's up to individual projects and mentors just as our top
> level
> > > projects can decide if the PMC is the whole set or a subset of the
> > > committers
> > > On 25 Jul 2014 00:33, "Justin Mclean" <justin@classsoftware.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > > As a mentor I've (nearly) always advised that if there are three
> IPMC
> > > > votes on the dev list then there is no need to make further noise on
> the
> > > > general list with unnecessary +1's. I therefore point out in the
> general@
> > > > vote mail that 3 binding (IPMC) +1's have been received and therefore
> > > there
> > > > is only a need to vote if there is an objection.
> > > > Fair enough + seem reasonable to me.
> > > >
> > > > > TECHNICALITY: PPMC votes are not binding (although they absolutely
> > > > should be considered as such by the project). Only IPMC votes are
> > > > considered binding at the foundational level since PPMC members are
> not
> > > yet
> > > > a member of a formal committee.
> > > > You need 3 +1 votes first on the podlings dev list, and PPMC votes do
> > > > count there, we wouldn't see a lot of podling releases otherwise. :-)
> > > Does
> > > > that mean any +1 vote (say by a committer or user) on the dev list
> also
> > > > counts if PPMC votes aren't actually considered binding? (I'd assume
> not
> > > > but again it's not clear from the document).
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Justin
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