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From "John D. Ament" <john.d.am...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Podling binding votes
Date Fri, 25 Jul 2014 00:20:25 GMT
Ross,

The incubator website would be inclined to disagree, and seems to
acknowledge there is formally a PPMC at [1].

Justin,

I think formally, if you review [2] (you may also want to scroll down, and
review later parts of this page on voting), you'll see that the PPMC votes
really don't count for anything other than merit.  The IPMC vote is what
really counts.  If you follow that page verbatim, the votes by the IPMC are
the only ones that count.

If you follow the alternative voting method, found at [3], you'll see that
votes via PPMC are acceptable if and only if the IPMC has agreed to such.


[1]: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html
[2]:
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html#best-practice-incubator-release-vote
[3]: http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Releases



On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Ross Gardler <rgardler@opendirective.com>
wrote:

> There is no formal PPMC. When a podling is created all initial committers
> are equal. I guess some podlings might create the concept of a separate
> PPMC during incubation. I've never advised that in my own podlings
> (probably because I'm a believer in an absolute minimum barrier to entry).
> I guess it's up to individual projects and mentors just as our top level
> projects can decide if the PMC is the whole set or a subset of the
> committers
> On 25 Jul 2014 00:33, "Justin Mclean" <justin@classsoftware.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > > As a mentor I've (nearly) always advised that if there are three IPMC
> > votes on the dev list then there is no need to make further noise on the
> > general list with unnecessary +1's. I therefore point out in the general@
> > vote mail that 3 binding (IPMC) +1's have been received and therefore
> there
> > is only a need to vote if there is an objection.
> > Fair enough + seem reasonable to me.
> >
> > > TECHNICALITY: PPMC votes are not binding (although they absolutely
> > should be considered as such by the project). Only IPMC votes are
> > considered binding at the foundational level since PPMC members are not
> yet
> > a member of a formal committee.
> > You need 3 +1 votes first on the podlings dev list, and PPMC votes do
> > count there, we wouldn't see a lot of podling releases otherwise. :-)
> Does
> > that mean any +1 vote (say by a committer or user) on the dev list also
> > counts if PPMC votes aren't actually considered binding? (I'd assume not
> > but again it's not clear from the document).
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
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