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From Chris Douglas <cdoug...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Argus Proposal
Date Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:40:32 GMT
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Owen O'Malley <omalley@apache.org> wrote:
> Chris, I know you are pretty overloaded at the moment with podlings, but
> would
> you be willing to be a mentor for Argus?

I don't have many cycles for this, but if it's a blocker for
incubation then I'll make time. -C

>> Initial committers are a dodge that demonstrates nothing about the
>> project's willingness to not only accept, but attract new ideas. The
>> viability of an OSS project is not inaccurately *defined* as its
>> ability to compete for that attention. Demanding pro forma adherence
>> to heuristics is a harmful lesson to podlings, unless the goal is to
>> teach them to evade accountability. -C
>>
>> > On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 02:38PM, Henry Saputra wrote:
>> >> Hi Andrew, thanks for chiming in =)
>> >>
>> >> I like your and Owen's opinion about initial members of an incubator
>> project.
>> >> And also agree it is responsibility of the polling to achieve better
>> >> diversity during its time under Apache incubator.
>> >>
>> >> For this particular proposal, however, the mentors mostly coming from
>> >> same organization.
>> >> Hopefully with this proposal announcement, the project could "solicit"
>> >> mentors from different organizations to help add check and balance.
>> >>
>> >> - Henry
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Andrew Purtell <apurtell@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >> > I had started typing up a response to Henry's mail but will discard
>> the
>> >> > beginning of it to say I agree with Owen. A new project coming into
>> the
>> >> > incubator quite naturally could have the initial set of committers
>> entirely
>> >> > from one organization. An organization donating an existing code
>> base, for
>> >> > example.
>> >> >
>> >> > However, there has been recent discussion elsewhere that the Incubator
>> >> > should more closely consider if an incubating project has succeeded
>> to grow
>> >> > a community beyond the initially limited group before declaring a
>> project
>> >> > ready for graduation. (Refer to the discussion on the graduation of
>> Apache
>> >> > Tez.) This position seems reasonable, and should naturally apply
>> here. If a
>> >> > project exits graduation with the same lack of PMC/committer
>> diversity with
>> >> > which it entered, this is in effect Apache-washing, in my opinion.
A
>> >> > stacked PMC is no more open a community then one controlled by a BDFL
>> and
>> >> > hosted on GitHub.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Owen O'Malley <omalley@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Henry Saputra <
>> henry.saputra@gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Maybe we should start asking incubator project to try to build
some
>> >> >> > kind of momentum or community before going to ASF incubator.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Apache incubator is a great place for new projects to grow their
>> community
>> >> >> and diversity. Once a project is established it is much harder
to
>> change
>> >> >> the infrastructure and there projects started on github are more
>> likely to
>> >> >> stay on github. I think there is significant value in these projects
>> being
>> >> >> done in the Apache Way.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > All but one PPMC members for this proposal would be from
>> Hortonworks.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Would you like to volunteer to help mentor?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Just from high level it seems like it has similar goal as
Apache
>> Knox
>> >> >> > [1], what is the differences between the 2?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I think Knox and Argus complement each other. Knox provides perimeter
>> >> >> security via proxy/gateway services, while Argus is providing fine
>> grain
>> >> >> integrated authorization and auditing.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> .. Owen
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Best regards,
>> >> >
>> >> >    - Andy
>> >> >
>> >> > Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet
>> Hein
>> >> > (via Tom White)
>> >>
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