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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 23:39:46 -0700
From: Konstantin Boudnik <cos@apache.org>
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Subject: Re: Tez graduation [Was: Request for mentor assessment]
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If I am not mistaken, no one really doubt the possible value of Tez
(incubating) for other open- and close-source projects. I don't think it
is an intention of the IPMC or a wider incubator community to pass the
judgement on the technical viability of a project.

What is discussed, on the other hand, is how successful said PPMC in achiev=
ing
the goal of community building and diversification. The link to the project
XML was very helpful in understanding the amount of the people involved
into the day-to-day activities. And it's great! However, the question that
remains unanswered so far - unless I've missed the answer - about the spread
of the PPMC and committers?

What is the chances of the project staying alive and vibrant if a commercial
entity will decide to cease its participation in the project?

Regards,
  Cos

On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 10:51PM, Rohini Palaniswamy wrote:
> I will add my two cents in here on the diversity front as a member of the
> Pig team which has been working closely with Tez team for the past 3
> quarters.
>=20
>  There has been a whole lot of features and design changes done in Tez
> driven by requirements from Pig and it has been a pleasure working with t=
he
> Tez community. We have had a really good collaboration and development has
> happened at a really really fast pace both in Pig and Tez, with Pig team
> picking features from Tez snapshot builds as and when they are fixed. We
> just merged Pig on Tez branch into Pig trunk last month. Most of the
> collaboration has been through jiras and you can see a lot of linked Pig
> jiras. Pig on Tez is especially a cross-company team effort in Apache -
> Yahoo!, Hortonworks, Netflix and LinkedIn and many of the requirements and
> fixes on Tez has been driven by the security, performance and large scale
> needs of these companies. http://tinyurl.com/m5tbzxt is the list of Tez
> jiras created just by the Pig team (48 jiras). There were at least quite a
> few more created by others when we reported issues in mails.
>=20
>  Hive of course is the other big project and Cascading is also into the m=
ix
> now. With all the widely adopted analytics tools on top of Hadoop adding
> support for it and many companies adopting it there is very good future f=
or
> Tez and I think it is just prejudice to call it as a commercial developme=
nt
> masquerading as an Apache community. We really see it as a replacement for
> mapreduce in the near term and pleased with the current results and the
> future potential as a user and have been investing in the development of
> Tez as well with dedicated resources. We opened Pig and Hive on Tez for
> testing for users in Yahoo! in Apr and Cheolsoo opened up Pig on Tez for
> users in Netflix this month and both Netflix and Y! have plans to get it
> into production by end of the year and Linkedin also hopes to do the same.
> With this early adoption from some of the biggest users of hadoop, I am
> sure Tez will only become more stable and mature in the coming year and
> gain more traction and wider adoption with other users as well as more
> companies migrate to Hadoop 2.
>=20
> Regards,
> Rohini
>=20
>=20
> On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 9:48 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <rvs@apache.org> wrote:
>=20
> > On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 9:44 PM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli
> > <vinodkv@apache.org> wrote:
> > > I see two threads here
> > >  - Concerns about graduation of Apache Tez project w.r.t diversity ba=
sed
> > on the PPMC html page
> > >  - Community related threads about things like whether diversity is a
> > hard requirement or how
> > > to grow communities.
> > >
> > > AFAICT, Hitesh's latest information on the state of the members of the
> > team
> > > (and the updated page) should allay any concerns on diversity.
> > >
> > > If people disagree, we can continue this thread along that discussion.
> > If not, we can close this topic as the graduation discussion/vote proce=
eds
> > here and elsewhere.
> > >
> > > The other threads may be valuable but OT IMHO and so are better forked
> > into their own threads.
> >
> > I personally think both are very closely related. Like I said, to
> > me the diversity thread is really in support of the thesis that
> > the project is capable of growing a community outside of
> > a forcing function of a single employer.
> >
> > That said, I haven't done the due diligence to form my personal
> > opinion one way or another. I am going to do it this week.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Roman.
> >

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