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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 01:10:49 +0000
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Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Allura from the Incubator
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On 13 March 2014 22:10, Rich Bowen <rbowen@rcbowen.com> wrote:
> To be clear, are you voting -1 on this? I feel like most of these are
> cosmetic issues that could be addressed in a weekend.

I imagine the issues could be addressed in a weekend.
However I don't regard them as cosmetic issues.
So until this is done, I don't think the podling is ready to graduate.

> The Allura software is a software development forge and as such it makes
> sense for it to be self hosted. This may result in some metaphors that are
> a little unfamiliar on the website

No idea what you mean by that paragraph.

> As to the project being forge software, rather than being a projecy which
> develops forge software, that feels like semantic pickiness, but we will
> address that immediately.

AIUI this is an important part of the branding.
Unless the Allura brand is clearly associated with a particular type
of software, it may be difficult to defend Allura as a trademark of
the ASF.

> --
> Rich Bowen, mobile edition
> rbowen@rcbowen.com
> Please forgive top posting.
> On Mar 13, 2014 2:35 PM, "sebb" <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The Allura website does not appear to follow the branding guidelines.
>>
>> The page footer does not mention Apache Allura and Allura as trademarks
>> Also the footer date is still 2011
>>
>> The License link must point to http://www.apache.org/licenses/   - not
>> to a local copy of the license.
>>
>> The intro. paragraph starts:
>>
>> "The Allura Project is forge software "
>>
>> This does not make sense - a project is not software.
>>
>> The bug tracker link on the main page is broken.
>>
>> The page
>> https://incubator.apache.org/allura/contributors.html
>> has at least one incorrect Apache id, and one missing id
>>
>> As noted elsethread, there don't appear to be any download links.
>>
>> The source code page only includes a git: scheme URL.
>> It ought to be possible to browse the source without needing to install
>> Git.
>>
>> The website needs plenty of TLC...
>>
>> As such, I don't think it's ready to become a TLP.
>>
>>
>> On 7 March 2014 20:16, Dave Brondsema <dave@brondsema.net> wrote:
>> > Hi everyone,
>> >
>> > The Apache Allura podling has discussed and voted to graduate from the
>> > incubator.  We've made two releases, added several PPMC members, have
>> been
>> > working with Infra to set up forge-allura.a.o, etc.  We would now like
>> the IPMC
>> > to vote.
>> >
>> > Discuss thread: http://markmail.org/message/wdddve3kxceqvgj5
>> > Vote thread: http://markmail.org/message/4g54fcxwb4xxys5l
>> > Community results:
>> >
>> > +1
>> > Roberto Galoppini
>> > Wayne Witzel III
>> > Cory Johns
>> > Dave Brondsema (IPMC)
>> > Rich Bowen (IPMC)
>> > Simone Gatti
>> > Stefano Invernizzi
>> > Alvaro del Castillo
>> > Jim Jagielski (IPMC)
>> > Tim Van Steenburgh
>> >
>> > +0
>> > (none)
>> >
>> > -1
>> > (none)
>> >
>> >
>> > Please VOTE below on the graduation of Apache Allura from the
>> > Incubator. The graduation resolution is pasted below.
>> > The VOTE will be open for at least 72 hours:
>> >
>> > [ ] +1 Graduate Apache Allura from the Incubator.
>> > [ ] +0 Don't care.
>> > [ ] -1 Don't graduate Apache Allura from the Incubator because
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >     X. Establish the Apache Allura Project
>> >
>> >        WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>> >        interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>> >        Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>> >        Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>> >        open-source software, for distribution at no charge to
>> >        the public, related to a software development infrastructure
>> >        platform commonly known as a "forge".
>> >
>> >        NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>> >        Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Allura Project",
>> >        be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>> >        Foundation; and be it further
>> >
>> >        RESOLVED, that the Apache Allura Project be and hereby is
>> >        responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
>> >        related to a software development infrastructure platform
>> >        commonly known as a "forge"; and be it further
>> >
>> >        RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Allura" be
>> >        and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
>> >        serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
>> >        of the Apache Allura Project, and to have primary responsibility
>> >        for management of the projects within the scope of
>> >        responsibility of the Apache Allura Project; and be it further
>> >
>> >        RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>> >        hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
>> >        Apache Allura Project:
>> >
>> >          * Tim Van Steenburgh     <tvansteenburgh@apache.org>
>> >          * Wayne Witzel III       <wwitzel3@apache.org>
>> >          * Cory Johns             <johnsca@apache.org>
>> >          * Dave Brondsema         <brondsem@apache.org>
>> >          * Roberto Galoppini      <galoppini@apache.org>
>> >          * Alvaro del Castillo    <acs@apache.org>
>> >          * Stefano Invernizzi     <stefano.invernizzi@apache.org>
>> >          * Simone Gatti           <simonegatti@apache.org>
>> >          * Jim Jagielski          <jim@apache.org>
>> >
>> >        NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Dave Brondsema
>> >        be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Allura, to
>> >        serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
>> >        Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
>> >        death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
>> >        or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>> >
>> >        RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Allura PMC be and hereby is
>> >        tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
>> >        encourage open development and increased participation in the
>> >        Apache Allura Project; and be it further
>> >
>> >        RESOLVED, that the Apache Allura Project be and hereby
>> >        is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>> >        Incubator Allura podling; and be it further
>> >
>> >        RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
>> >        Incubator Allura podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
>> >        Project are hereafter discharged.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Dave Brondsema : dave@brondsema.net
>> > http://www.brondsema.net : personal
>> > http://www.splike.com : programming
>> >               <><
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