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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 14:23:07 -0400
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Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Allura from the Incubator
From: Cory Johns <johnsca@gmail.com>
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The ASF banner has been moved to the top right header, and will apply to
all pages in the Project neighborhood.  (Currently that should cover
everything except user pages, but this is a temporary work-around until we
can get a proper ASF theme started.)


On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 1:06 PM, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 17 March 2014 16:53, Cory Johns <johnsca@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Alex,
> >
> > The project is Allura, which does power the developer tools at
> SourceForge,
> > and we're using an Allura instance on an Apache VM to "self-host" the
> > project.  Since Allura is a project management platform, in the interests
> > of "eating our own dogfood," we obviously want to continue to use Allura
> to
> > manage the Allura project (and eventually open it up for other Apache
> > projects to use as well).
> >
> > There shouldn't be any SourceForge branding or references on the Apache
> > Allura instance, aside from the overall look and feel of the platform
> being
> > similar, since it is in fact the same platform (though SourceForge does
> > theme Allura to some degree, for example in the tools menu).
>
> Sourceforge pages are all clearly part of Sourceforge, as they all
> have the sourceforge banner across the top.
> The sourceforge branding is present on all SF projects.
>
> Can this be done for the Allura pages (except of course using an ASF
> banner) ?
>
> Probably it could be done for the entire instance, as presumably any
> sub-projects in it would have to be ASF projects or at least ASF
> content.
>
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Since we're still piling on, I just went to
> >> https://forge-allura.apache.org/p/allura/
> >> and was pretty sure I had been redirected to SourceForge.  It look and
> >> feel of that page looks like all of the other SourceForge projects like
> >> the Open@Adobe sites I have visited.  I would think that:
> >>
> >>
> >> 1) Apache wouldn't want to have SourceForge branding on Apache
> >> infrastructure
> >> 2) SourceForge wouldn't want Apache to have SourceForge branding on
> Apache
> >> infrastructure.
> >>
> >> Are folks sure this is ok?
> >>
> >> -Alex
> >>
> >> On 3/17/14 9:09 AM, "sebb" <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On 17 March 2014 15:17, Cory Johns <johnsca@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 6:58 AM, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> On 15 March 2014 01:23, Justin Mclean <justin@classsoftware.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > While it's clear in the text and from the domain that the project
> is
> >> >>>an
> >> >>> ASF one, the subtitles "Forge software for hosting software
> projects"
> >> >>>and
> >> >>> "Brought to you by: brondsem, masterbunnyfu, rbowen, vansteenburgh"
> and
> >> >>> lack of links back to the ASF don't immediately give that
> impression.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> That's a good point.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The board decided a long time ago that @author tags were deprecated
> in
> >> >>> code; partly because they get out of date, but mainly because the
> ASF
> >> >>> is a community, and code is a co-operative effort.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Seems to me the "Brought to you" sentence has similar problems, and
> >> >>> should be removed.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Well, I should note that the "Brought to you by" line is actually
> >> >> automatically generated from the project permissions, so there is
> little
> >> >> chance of it getting out of date.
> >> >
> >> >What about when people move on from Allura and no longer have
> permissions?
> >> >That does not necessarily mean that their contribution to the project
> >> >is no longer important.
> >> >Even if their code has been entirely replaced by later changes, they
> >> >still contributed to the software.
> >> >
> >> >> That said, it will be more useful as we
> >> >> move more of the Allura work (specifically, ticket activity) over
> from
> >> >>the
> >> >> old SourceForge location to the Apache hosted Allura instance, as is
> the
> >> >> plan.
> >> >
> >> >Same issue; the ASF is about community-developed code, not individual
> >> >coders.
> >> >Individuals come and go; the ASF hopeully will outlast us all!
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >> Also I think (almost?) all other TLPs include the ASF feather which
> >> >>> links back to the main ASF page.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >> I have updated the page at https://forge-allura.apache.org/p/allura/to
> >> >> include the ASF feather logo which links to
> >> >> http://www.apache.org/foundation/
> >> >
> >> >The ASF feather is normally present in the header, not just the home
> page.
> >> >Is it possible to add it there?
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>> > It also quite hard for someone outside the project to see what is
> >> >>> happing on the mailing list due to the large amount at allure ticket
> >> >>> emails. Have you consider having a separate issues list?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> +1
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> This has been raised before and some things have been done to improve
> >> >>the
> >> >> tracker notifications on the mailing list (combining status change
> and
> >> >> comment notifications, fixing threading, etc) and it was decided at
> the
> >> >> time that it was reasonable to continue to include that traffic (with
> >> >> improvements) on the list.  However, I believe the possibility of
> >> >>splitting
> >> >> it in the future was left open, should anyone continue to feel it
> was a
> >> >> problem.
> >> >>
> >> >> Still, this doesn't seem to me like something that should block
> >> >>graduation,
> >> >> as the tracker communications are indeed related to Allura
> development.
> >> >
> >> >Agreed the destination of tracker notifications is not a blocker to
> >> >graduation.
> >> >But could perhaps become a blocker to community growth, so needs to be
> >> >monitored.
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