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From Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Allura from the Incubator
Date Mon, 17 Mar 2014 17:05:27 GMT
I'm not a branding expert.  Has the Apache VP of Branding approved the
look?  You are correct that the word SourceForge is not on the site, but I
thought branding included colors, icons, and layout and the goal is to
prevent confusion, and I was definitely confused, but it could just be me.
 There are several Adobe links that take you to SourceForge so maybe I've
experienced that more than others.

-Alex

On 3/17/14 9:53 AM, "Cory Johns" <johnsca@gmail.com> wrote:

>Alex,
>
>The project is Allura, which does power the developer tools at
>SourceForge,
>and we're using an Allura instance on an Apache VM to "self-host" the
>project.  Since Allura is a project management platform, in the interests
>of "eating our own dogfood," we obviously want to continue to use Allura
>to
>manage the Allura project (and eventually open it up for other Apache
>projects to use as well).
>
>There shouldn't be any SourceForge branding or references on the Apache
>Allura instance, aside from the overall look and feel of the platform
>being
>similar, since it is in fact the same platform (though SourceForge does
>theme Allura to some degree, for example in the tools menu).
>
>
>On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com> wrote:
>
>> Since we're still piling on, I just went to
>> https://forge-allura.apache.org/p/allura/
>> and was pretty sure I had been redirected to SourceForge.  It look and
>> feel of that page looks like all of the other SourceForge projects like
>> the Open@Adobe sites I have visited.  I would think that:
>>
>>
>> 1) Apache wouldn't want to have SourceForge branding on Apache
>> infrastructure
>> 2) SourceForge wouldn't want Apache to have SourceForge branding on
>>Apache
>> infrastructure.
>>
>> Are folks sure this is ok?
>>
>> -Alex
>>
>> On 3/17/14 9:09 AM, "sebb" <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On 17 March 2014 15:17, Cory Johns <johnsca@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 6:58 AM, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On 15 March 2014 01:23, Justin Mclean <justin@classsoftware.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> > While it's clear in the text and from the domain that the project
>>is
>> >>>an
>> >>> ASF one, the subtitles "Forge software for hosting software
>>projects"
>> >>>and
>> >>> "Brought to you by: brondsem, masterbunnyfu, rbowen, vansteenburgh"
>>and
>> >>> lack of links back to the ASF don't immediately give that
>>impression.
>> >>>
>> >>> That's a good point.
>> >>>
>> >>> The board decided a long time ago that @author tags were deprecated
>>in
>> >>> code; partly because they get out of date, but mainly because the
>>ASF
>> >>> is a community, and code is a co-operative effort.
>> >>>
>> >>> Seems to me the "Brought to you" sentence has similar problems, and
>> >>> should be removed.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Well, I should note that the "Brought to you by" line is actually
>> >> automatically generated from the project permissions, so there is
>>little
>> >> chance of it getting out of date.
>> >
>> >What about when people move on from Allura and no longer have
>>permissions?
>> >That does not necessarily mean that their contribution to the project
>> >is no longer important.
>> >Even if their code has been entirely replaced by later changes, they
>> >still contributed to the software.
>> >
>> >> That said, it will be more useful as we
>> >> move more of the Allura work (specifically, ticket activity) over
>>from
>> >>the
>> >> old SourceForge location to the Apache hosted Allura instance, as is
>>the
>> >> plan.
>> >
>> >Same issue; the ASF is about community-developed code, not individual
>> >coders.
>> >Individuals come and go; the ASF hopeully will outlast us all!
>> >
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >> Also I think (almost?) all other TLPs include the ASF feather which
>> >>> links back to the main ASF page.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >> I have updated the page at https://forge-allura.apache.org/p/allura/
>>to
>> >> include the ASF feather logo which links to
>> >> http://www.apache.org/foundation/
>> >
>> >The ASF feather is normally present in the header, not just the home
>>page.
>> >Is it possible to add it there?
>> >
>> >>
>> >>> > It also quite hard for someone outside the project to see what
is
>> >>> happing on the mailing list due to the large amount at allure ticket
>> >>> emails. Have you consider having a separate issues list?
>> >>>
>> >>> +1
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> This has been raised before and some things have been done to improve
>> >>the
>> >> tracker notifications on the mailing list (combining status change
>>and
>> >> comment notifications, fixing threading, etc) and it was decided at
>>the
>> >> time that it was reasonable to continue to include that traffic (with
>> >> improvements) on the list.  However, I believe the possibility of
>> >>splitting
>> >> it in the future was left open, should anyone continue to feel it
>>was a
>> >> problem.
>> >>
>> >> Still, this doesn't seem to me like something that should block
>> >>graduation,
>> >> as the tracker communications are indeed related to Allura
>>development.
>> >
>> >Agreed the destination of tracker notifications is not a blocker to
>> >graduation.
>> >But could perhaps become a blocker to community growth, so needs to be
>> >monitored.
>> >
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