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From Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Allura from the Incubator
Date Mon, 17 Mar 2014 16:23:35 GMT
Since we're still piling on, I just went to
https://forge-allura.apache.org/p/allura/
and was pretty sure I had been redirected to SourceForge.  It look and
feel of that page looks like all of the other SourceForge projects like
the Open@Adobe sites I have visited.  I would think that:


1) Apache wouldn't want to have SourceForge branding on Apache
infrastructure
2) SourceForge wouldn't want Apache to have SourceForge branding on Apache
infrastructure.

Are folks sure this is ok?

-Alex

On 3/17/14 9:09 AM, "sebb" <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 17 March 2014 15:17, Cory Johns <johnsca@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 6:58 AM, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 15 March 2014 01:23, Justin Mclean <justin@classsoftware.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > While it's clear in the text and from the domain that the project is
>>>an
>>> ASF one, the subtitles "Forge software for hosting software projects"
>>>and
>>> "Brought to you by: brondsem, masterbunnyfu, rbowen, vansteenburgh" and
>>> lack of links back to the ASF don't immediately give that impression.
>>>
>>> That's a good point.
>>>
>>> The board decided a long time ago that @author tags were deprecated in
>>> code; partly because they get out of date, but mainly because the ASF
>>> is a community, and code is a co-operative effort.
>>>
>>> Seems to me the "Brought to you" sentence has similar problems, and
>>> should be removed.
>>
>>
>> Well, I should note that the "Brought to you by" line is actually
>> automatically generated from the project permissions, so there is little
>> chance of it getting out of date.
>
>What about when people move on from Allura and no longer have permissions?
>That does not necessarily mean that their contribution to the project
>is no longer important.
>Even if their code has been entirely replaced by later changes, they
>still contributed to the software.
>
>> That said, it will be more useful as we
>> move more of the Allura work (specifically, ticket activity) over from
>>the
>> old SourceForge location to the Apache hosted Allura instance, as is the
>> plan.
>
>Same issue; the ASF is about community-developed code, not individual
>coders.
>Individuals come and go; the ASF hopeully will outlast us all!
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>> Also I think (almost?) all other TLPs include the ASF feather which
>>> links back to the main ASF page.
>>>
>>>
>> I have updated the page at https://forge-allura.apache.org/p/allura/ to
>> include the ASF feather logo which links to
>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/
>
>The ASF feather is normally present in the header, not just the home page.
>Is it possible to add it there?
>
>>
>>> > It also quite hard for someone outside the project to see what is
>>> happing on the mailing list due to the large amount at allure ticket
>>> emails. Have you consider having a separate issues list?
>>>
>>> +1
>>
>>
>> This has been raised before and some things have been done to improve
>>the
>> tracker notifications on the mailing list (combining status change and
>> comment notifications, fixing threading, etc) and it was decided at the
>> time that it was reasonable to continue to include that traffic (with
>> improvements) on the list.  However, I believe the possibility of
>>splitting
>> it in the future was left open, should anyone continue to feel it was a
>> problem.
>>
>> Still, this doesn't seem to me like something that should block
>>graduation,
>> as the tracker communications are indeed related to Allura development.
>
>Agreed the destination of tracker notifications is not a blocker to
>graduation.
>But could perhaps become a blocker to community growth, so needs to be
>monitored.
>
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