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From David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Allura from the Incubator
Date Fri, 14 Mar 2014 02:00:57 GMT
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 9:54 PM, David Nalley <david@gnsa.us> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <rvs@apache.org> wrote:
>> After looking at it for some time, my optimistic outlook
>> on the project would be +0 vote at best.
>>
>> On the plus side, the community seems to be really active
>> and reasonably diverse. But if feels, like ASF has not yet
>> become a true home for the project.
>>
>> Here's what I'm talking about: as a casual bystander who
>> was trying to view Allura as an ASF project -- I had difficult
>> time. First of all, I couldn't even get to the releases easily
>> enough: https://incubator.apache.org/allura/downloads.html
>> When I managed to get there the first thing that the README
>> instructed me to do is to go to https://forge-allura.apache.org/
>> What is that? How does it relate to the project?
>>
>> In fact, from the dev list it feels like there may be yet another
>> canonical place for the Allura -- over at sourceforge:
>>    http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-allura-dev/201402.mbox/%3C52F80CA5.8060209%40brondsema.net%3E
>>
>> I am not quite sure if penalizing the project with a failed graduation
>> vote is the right thing to do, but the state of the outwards facing
>> project assets doesn't inspire a feel of a strong ASF community in me
>>
>> Just my 2c worth of feedback.
>>
>
> The projects bug tracker also seems to be at sourceforge.net, which
> means you need a sf.net account to participate in the project. Based
> on a quick perusal most of the dev@ traffic seems to be bug tracker -
> which means most of this is happening at SourceForge. I don't know
> that this is really problematic - we do have projects using github as
> the main portion of the contribution workflow, but it does give me
> pause.
>
> I also see http://sf.net/p/allura - which bears a SF logo, and which
> doesn't note the fact that the project is at the incubator until 1/2
> down the page. And nowhere on the page is it referred to as Apache
> Allura. From a standpoint of the project which is supposed to be
> policing its brand, this leaves me a bit worried - this page shows an
> update to that page recently; and appears at least to the outside
> world to be the nexus for the project and maintained by members of the
> PPMC.  (first return on Google is the sourceforge link.) To be clear
> other projects have listings at Sourceforge, so aside from the brand
> and trademark policing that needs to happen, I am not sure the
> existence of the page is much to be concerned about.
>
> There's a notice on the page that reads: "Some project information is
> still at SourceForge during this transition period." and indeed,
> there's http://allura.sourceforge.net/docs/ which looks surprisingly
> good when compared with http://incubator.apache.org/allura which
> doesn't have a working bug tracker link, and steps listed for building
> Allura consists of 'TODO'. All of the content from the allure source
> forge site appears to be in the Apache Allura git repo, so I am
> curious why it isn't published at the ASF. And again, we have projects
> who host documentation at ReadTheDocs, so I am not sure that
> documentation living elsewhere is an inherent problem, but it gives me
> pause.
>
> Individually I don't know that any of these are problematic; but I am
> curious what the mentors take on it is.
>
> --David


And it's just dawned on me what's happening.
The project is using http://forge-allura.apache.org/p/allura as it's
home page instead of http://incubator.apache.org/allura which appears
to have all of the appropriate content (according to a google cache)
but is down right now. It's making more sense; is the intention to
make that the project home page? (e.g. allura.apache.org)


--David

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