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From Cory Johns <john...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Allura from the Incubator
Date Mon, 17 Mar 2014 16:53:39 GMT
Alex,

The project is Allura, which does power the developer tools at SourceForge,
and we're using an Allura instance on an Apache VM to "self-host" the
project.  Since Allura is a project management platform, in the interests
of "eating our own dogfood," we obviously want to continue to use Allura to
manage the Allura project (and eventually open it up for other Apache
projects to use as well).

There shouldn't be any SourceForge branding or references on the Apache
Allura instance, aside from the overall look and feel of the platform being
similar, since it is in fact the same platform (though SourceForge does
theme Allura to some degree, for example in the tools menu).


On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com> wrote:

> Since we're still piling on, I just went to
> https://forge-allura.apache.org/p/allura/
> and was pretty sure I had been redirected to SourceForge.  It look and
> feel of that page looks like all of the other SourceForge projects like
> the Open@Adobe sites I have visited.  I would think that:
>
>
> 1) Apache wouldn't want to have SourceForge branding on Apache
> infrastructure
> 2) SourceForge wouldn't want Apache to have SourceForge branding on Apache
> infrastructure.
>
> Are folks sure this is ok?
>
> -Alex
>
> On 3/17/14 9:09 AM, "sebb" <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On 17 March 2014 15:17, Cory Johns <johnsca@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 6:58 AM, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 15 March 2014 01:23, Justin Mclean <justin@classsoftware.com>
> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > While it's clear in the text and from the domain that the project is
> >>>an
> >>> ASF one, the subtitles "Forge software for hosting software projects"
> >>>and
> >>> "Brought to you by: brondsem, masterbunnyfu, rbowen, vansteenburgh" and
> >>> lack of links back to the ASF don't immediately give that impression.
> >>>
> >>> That's a good point.
> >>>
> >>> The board decided a long time ago that @author tags were deprecated in
> >>> code; partly because they get out of date, but mainly because the ASF
> >>> is a community, and code is a co-operative effort.
> >>>
> >>> Seems to me the "Brought to you" sentence has similar problems, and
> >>> should be removed.
> >>
> >>
> >> Well, I should note that the "Brought to you by" line is actually
> >> automatically generated from the project permissions, so there is little
> >> chance of it getting out of date.
> >
> >What about when people move on from Allura and no longer have permissions?
> >That does not necessarily mean that their contribution to the project
> >is no longer important.
> >Even if their code has been entirely replaced by later changes, they
> >still contributed to the software.
> >
> >> That said, it will be more useful as we
> >> move more of the Allura work (specifically, ticket activity) over from
> >>the
> >> old SourceForge location to the Apache hosted Allura instance, as is the
> >> plan.
> >
> >Same issue; the ASF is about community-developed code, not individual
> >coders.
> >Individuals come and go; the ASF hopeully will outlast us all!
> >
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Also I think (almost?) all other TLPs include the ASF feather which
> >>> links back to the main ASF page.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> I have updated the page at https://forge-allura.apache.org/p/allura/ to
> >> include the ASF feather logo which links to
> >> http://www.apache.org/foundation/
> >
> >The ASF feather is normally present in the header, not just the home page.
> >Is it possible to add it there?
> >
> >>
> >>> > It also quite hard for someone outside the project to see what is
> >>> happing on the mailing list due to the large amount at allure ticket
> >>> emails. Have you consider having a separate issues list?
> >>>
> >>> +1
> >>
> >>
> >> This has been raised before and some things have been done to improve
> >>the
> >> tracker notifications on the mailing list (combining status change and
> >> comment notifications, fixing threading, etc) and it was decided at the
> >> time that it was reasonable to continue to include that traffic (with
> >> improvements) on the list.  However, I believe the possibility of
> >>splitting
> >> it in the future was left open, should anyone continue to feel it was a
> >> problem.
> >>
> >> Still, this doesn't seem to me like something that should block
> >>graduation,
> >> as the tracker communications are indeed related to Allura development.
> >
> >Agreed the destination of tracker notifications is not a blocker to
> >graduation.
> >But could perhaps become a blocker to community growth, so needs to be
> >monitored.
> >
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