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From "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Spark from the Incubator
Date Mon, 10 Feb 2014 01:35:09 GMT
Joe,

Thanks for your cordial tone and to the point email. Thinking about it,
I agree with you. We'll start a new VOTE in a day or so to clean up
the resolution per Matei's updates and the typo fix caught by Sebb.

Cheers,
Chris






-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
Date: Sunday, February 9, 2014 5:29 PM
To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Spark from the Incubator

>Chris no offense but all we can do is vote on what you put in front of
>us.  As soon as you realized that that document was a mess the vote
>should have been cancelled.  Right now you have no clear picture of what
>each vote *means* because the thing we are supposed to be approving is in
>flux.  Right now you have people voting on the subject on moral grounds,
>eg whether the project deserves to graduate, all mixed in with votes cast
>on technical objective grounds.  The only way to fix this is with a fresh
>start IMO.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 8:19 PM, "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)"
>><chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Sebb,
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> 
>> From: sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
>> Date: Sunday, February 9, 2014 4:39 PM
>> To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Spark from the Incubator
>> 
>>> On 9 February 2014 17:11, Mattmann, Chris A (3980)
>>> <chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>>> Thanks Matei and sebb.
>>>> 
>>>> Starting a new thread and collecting the VOTEs all over again would be
>>>> time consuming.
>>> 
>>> So?
>> 
>> I don't appreciate this tone -- what do you mean "so"?
>> 
>>> 
>>> Better to than being confusing, as the current thread has become.
>> 
>> The thread's not confusing to me at all -- The diligence to update
>> the resolution to the specific Apache IDs has been performed by Matei,
>> so that work is done. I'll make the typo fix in the pasted board
>> resolution,
>> so that will be done too.
>> 
>>> 
>>> Also it may not be clear whether new votes are intended for the update
>>> resolution or the old one.
>>> 
>>> Do the original votes even count for the amended resolution?
>> 
>> Actually it's quite clear to me and to those who VOTEd, some multiple
>> times.
>> If folks have an issue as I mentioned, I've left the VOTE open for
>>quite a
>> long
>> bit of time and am closing it tomorrow. That's plenty of time for folks
>>to
>> amend
>> their VOTE should they have wanted to.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Chris
>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com>
>>>> Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org"
>>>><general@incubator.apache.org>
>>>> Date: Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:10 AM
>>>> To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Spark from the Incubator
>>>> 
>>>>> I think it would be better to start a new thread with the updated
>>>>>text.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Also, the two scope descriptions are slightly different:
>>>>> 
>>>>> "related to fast and flexible large-scale data analysis
>>>>> on clusters."
>>>>> 
>>>>> v.
>>>>> 
>>>>> "related to efficient cluster management, resource isolation
>>>>> and sharing across distributed applications"
>>>>> 
>>>>> I don't know whether that is important or not.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 8 February 2014 22:46, Matei Zaharia <matei.zaharia@gmail.com>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>> Thanks everyone for the votes. Since we now have accounts for
>>>>>> everyone,
>>>>>> I've updated the committer list below to include ASF IDs. Thanks
to
>>>>>> INFRA, we also now have both pull request postings and comments on
>>>>>>them
>>>>>> forwarded to the our mailing list.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ---- snip
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>>>>>> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>>>>>> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>>>>>> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>>>>>> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the
>>>>>> public, related to fast and flexible large-scale data analysis
>>>>>> on clusters.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>>>>>> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Spark Project", be
>>>>>> and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation;
>>>>>> and be it further
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Spark Project be and hereby is
>>>>>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
>>>>>> related to efficient cluster management, resource isolation
>>>>>> and sharing across distributed applications; and be it further
>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Spark" be
>>>>>> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve
>>>>>> at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the
>>>>>> Apache Spark Project, and to have primary responsibility for
>>>>>> management of the projects within the scope of responsibility
>>>>>> of the Apache Spark Project; and be it further
>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>>>>>> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
>>>>>> Apache Spark Project:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> * Mosharaf Chowdhury <mosharaf@apache.org>
>>>>>> * Jason Dai <jasondai@apache.org>
>>>>>> * Tathagata Das <tdas@apache.org>
>>>>>> * Ankur Dave <ankurdave@apache.org>
>>>>>> * Aaron Davidson <adav@apache.org>
>>>>>> * Thomas Dudziak <tomdz@apache.org>
>>>>>> * Robert Evans <bobby@apache.org>
>>>>>> * Thomas Graves <tgraves@apache.org>
>>>>>> * Andy Konwinski <andrew@apache.org>
>>>>>> * Stephen Haberman <stephenh@apache.org>
>>>>>> * Mark Hamstra <markhamstra@apache.org>
>>>>>> * Shane Huang <shane_huang@apache.org>
>>>>>> * Ryan LeCompte <ryanlecompte@apache.org>
>>>>>> * Haoyuan Li <haoyuan@apache.org>
>>>>>> * Sean McNamara <mcnamara@apache.org>
>>>>>> * Mridul Muralidharam <mridulm80@apache.org>
>>>>>> * Kay Ousterhout <kayousterhout@apache.org>
>>>>>> * Nick Pentreath <mlnick@apache.org>
>>>>>> * Imran Rashid <irashid@apache.org>
>>>>>> * Charles Reiss <woggle@apache.org>
>>>>>> * Josh Rosen <joshrosen@apache.org>
>>>>>> * Prashant Sharma <prashant@apache.org>
>>>>>> * Ram Sriharsha <harsha@apache.org>
>>>>>> * Shivaram Venkataraman <shivaram@apache.org>
>>>>>> * Patrick Wendell <pwendell@apache.org>
>>>>>> * Andrew Xia <xiajunluan@apache.org>
>>>>>> * Reynold Xin <rxin@apache.org>
>>>>>> * Matei Zaharia <matei@apache.org>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Matei Zaharia be
>>>>>> appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Spark, to
>>>>>> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
>>>>>> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
>>>>>> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification, or
>>>>>> until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Spark Project be and hereby is
>>>>>> tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>>>>>> Incubator Spark podling; and be it further
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
>>>>>> Incubator Spark podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
>>>>>> Project are hereafter discharged.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ----
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2014, at 9:02 AM, David Nalley <david@gnsa.us>
wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ted and Henry: Thanks for the thoughtful replies and indulging
my
>>>>>>> concerns.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> +1 (binding)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --David
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:33 AM, Henry Saputra
>>>>>>> <henry.saputra@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> HI David Nalley,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thank you for your comment and concern, really appreciate
it.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> As Patrick had mentioned in his reply, this is not a persistent
>>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>>> The reminder I sent was about particular topic which could
be
>>>>>>>> interpreted as design or roadmap topic rather than review
for a
>>>>>>>> patch.
>>>>>>>> Rather than reminding an individual or two involved in the
>>>>>>>> discussion,
>>>>>>>> I decided to send email to dev@ list to show by example 
the open
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> transparent discussions the ASF way.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hope this gives some more clarification about the state of
the
>>>>>>>> podling
>>>>>>>> embracing the ASF way.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> - Henry
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:19 PM, Patrick Wendell
>>>>>>>><pwendell@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hey All - chiming in as an active Spark committer.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> The part that disturbs me is that after the vote
passed in the
>>>>>>>>>> community, and came to the IPMC a mentor is still
having to
>>>>>>>>>>remind
>>>>>>>>>> folks that things like strategy and roadmap discussions
need to
>>>>>>>>>> happen
>>>>>>>>>> on the mailing list. That's a pretty foundational
concept in my
>>>>>>>>>> mind
>>>>>>>>>> for an Apache project.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Henry gave a reminder on the mailing list not because
it's a
>>>>>>>>> persistent problem but because it never explicitly came
up prior
>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>> this. We use github for review comments and in one case
this week
>>>>>>>>> there was a brief discussion that could be interpreted
as
>>>>>>>>>roadmap -
>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>> Henry just gave a reminder not to do that. I can't imagine
why
>>>>>>>>>any
>>>>>>>>> project would *want* to use github review comments for
long term
>>>>>>>>> roadmap discussion... it's a terrible medium for that
anyways! We
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> a very active developer list and that is where these
discussions
>>>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>>> place.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> The missing account issues are somewhat troubling,
but also not
>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>> within the purview of the podling to fix either;
though I find
>>>>>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>>> odd
>>>>>>>>>> that people committed to the podling (and many initial
>>>>>>>>>>committers)
>>>>>>>>>> haven't asked for their Apache account or needed
to use it.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> This is because those people have still contributed a
lot of code
>>>>>>>>> via
>>>>>>>>> other commiters who merge so it's not an immediate urgency.
For
>>>>>>>>> perspective I am a committer on two other ASF projects
but I've
>>>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>>>> personally committed code to either - I do it through
the more
>>>>>>>>> active
>>>>>>>>> committers who basically spend all their time merging
patches. A
>>>>>>>>> few
>>>>>>>>> of the initial commiters are not currently active on
the project;
>>>>>>>>> they've made major contributions over the last few years
of
>>>>>>>>> development and are committers in recognition of those
>>>>>>>>> contributions
>>>>>>>>> (see above).
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Popping up a level. We are happy to have github discussions
>>>>>>>>>forward
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> either our dev- list or a reviews- list or something
like that (I
>>>>>>>>> beleive Matei is setting that up now). If IPCM folks
want to
>>>>>>>>>debate
>>>>>>>>> whether we should *have* to do that, it seems sensible
to fork a
>>>>>>>>> thread and discuss elsewhere. If IPMC folks want to debate
>>>>>>>>>whether
>>>>>>>>> github should be allowed at all, I also think it's better
>>>>>>>>>discussed
>>>>>>>>> outside of this graduation thread.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
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