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From Chris Mattmann <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Spark from the Incubator (was Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Spark from the Incubator)
Date Fri, 07 Feb 2014 15:48:45 GMT
Thanks Bertrand, for your feedback and as I have mentioned, we filed
the account requests, and have explained from the community perspective
the issues at hand (Matei has done so grandly in the last day and
don't have time now to look up the exact thread pointer but look
for some replies by Matei over the past day or so). Furthermore,
there have been some great recent replies from IPMC members as of
last night that summarize my overall feeling with the podling as

BTW, your comment below about "very wrong list of PMC members", I
take exception to and disagree with. It wasn't a wrong list -- it's
that some people in that list had not completed the due diligence
to obtain their Apache accounts (though in all cases but 1, for
Kay, ICLAs had been filed and that has now been remedied). This is
no fault of the members of that PPMC -- it was an oversight on my
part and the other mentors part; I take full responsibility for
that. However, I will make it very clear that the issue
was caught, and now it's been dealt with and is in the process of
being dealt with. Once the account requests I filed are complete,
all of those members on that list will have Apache accounts, but
more importantly ICLAs on file.

Trusting the mentors too much isn't a bad thing by the way. I myself
have done this. You have to be able to mix precision with recall
in these situations and you have to have people like Craig and/or
sebb that can catch things -- very valuable tools to catch even
when mentors like myself miss some of the details. You know, being
a Director; a Treasurer; combined with all the list of other things
I do? ;)

Regardless, like I said, the issues are being dealt with -- the
facts have been stated by me below with pure numbers and data that
again show an overwhelming majority of IPMC mentors for Spark; of
IPMC members who VOTED in the graduation VOTE; along with community
members have VOTEd to graduate this project, and to recommend its
graduation to the board.  I am going to still leave this VOTE open
until Monday in the hopes that seeing the diligence performed by
the Spark community in the face of these discussions and the very
real need to address the raised issues are precisely the spirit of
the Apache way and the communities that we grow here and that those
acts change the mind of the minority who issued their -1s.

Beyond that, I am not going to leave the VOTE open indefinitely,
and I am not going to concern myself with what-ifs at the board
level. The facts are here. The discussion is here. Neither change
the very real fact that Spark deserves TLP status, and I wholeheartedly
recommend its graduation to the board; as do the other IPMC members;
community members, and others cited in the data I gathered below.


-----Original Message-----
From: Bertrand Delacretaz <>
Reply-To: "" <>
Date: Friday, February 7, 2014 7:35 AM
To: Incubator General <>
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Spark from the
Incubator (was Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Spark from the Incubator)

>Hi Chris,
>On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Chris Mattmann <>
>>... Bertrand, you originally VOTEd +1 until Craig mentioned his concerns
>> about accounts not having been filed. Matei and others immediately
>> stepped up (including myself), and explained the situation, and
>> filed the accounts. Sebb's concerns were originally related to the
>> resolution and mix of Apache ids/other mail Ids, etc....
>Fact is, the mentors let the resolution go through with a very wrong
>list of PMC members. Which I didn't spot either at first...trusting
>the mentors too much maybe? ;-)
>And the discussions in the vote thread show some worrying
>uncertainties about the project's readyness to graduate. I have not
>analyzed everything in detail so far, maybe everything's clear if one
>rereads the full thread. But the perception is here.
>> ...If you are suggesting in some thinly veiled way that the
>> board is going to reject both the overwhelming majority of the
>> direct paying attention mentors to the project; along with majority
>> of other members of the IPMC; along with the members of the community
>> also
>> recommended its graduation...
>There was nothing behind my comment that the board can reject a
>graduation resolution - suggesting things in some thinly veiled way is
>not my style.
>It's just that a board member who hasn't followed the project or the
>details of this discussion, but knows that the vote thread here raised
>lots of questions, might very well recommend to reject the resolution
>until everything's clear.
>So, my recommendation is that mentors identify and address the
>concerns raised in the vote thread in a way that reassures us that the
>project is indeed ready to graduate. Maybe just as some concise
>comments in the vote thread once the updated the Spark resolution is
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