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From Chris Mattmann <mattm...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Spark from the Incubator
Date Thu, 06 Feb 2014 19:11:57 GMT
Jake, yep thanks for suggesting moving this to another thread :)

In a few days I plan on tallying the VOTEs from the Spark VOTE thread
which at current count is overwhelmingly passing.

I'll keep it open through at least Monday and then in time to add
it to the agenda for the Feb 2014 meeting of the board for consideration
should the current count and trend continue to hold.

Thanks to everyone for their thoughtful discussion. Clearly this is a
great use case and discussion point for lots of improvement in the ASF,
the Incubator, in my own mentorship and others, and in how we can
serve our communities best at the ASF.

Cheers all.

Chris





-----Original Message-----
From: Jake Farrell <jfarrell@apache.org>
Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>,
"jfarrell@apache.org" <jfarrell@apache.org>
Date: Thursday, February 6, 2014 10:58 AM
To: Matei Zaharia <matei.zaharia@gmail.com>
Cc: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>,
"jfarrell@apache.org" <jfarrell@apache.org>
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Spark from the Incubator

>Matei
>multiple TLPs using it as their main reviewing system? Outside of JClouds
>I
>am unaware of any others using it currently.
>
>I think this is a good discussion to have, but we should start another
>thread with it so as to not hijack the Apache Spark graduation thread with
>it.
>
>-Jake
>
>
>On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Matei Zaharia
><matei.zaharia@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I like the idea of sending these to the dev list. I'm going to open an
>> INFRA ticket for it.
>>
>> While it seems that the current web hook only sends events when a pull
>> request is opened or closed, GitHub *can* email watchers for comments as
>> well. I'm watching the project on GitHub and I get an email for every
>> comment, even on pull requests I never looked at. So maybe we can
>> investigate adding this to the GitHub hook -- I'm sure it's not a big
>>burden
>> from their side.
>>
>> The other option would be to somehow subscribe dev@ through the standard
>> GitHub watcher framework by making it the notification address for some
>> account watching the repo, but this requires confirming the address and
>>I
>> think anyone on dev might be able to unsubscribe it or take ownership of
>> that account if we do so. Maybe GitHub can help us do this without going
>> through the "confirm address" process. Did you guys have a contact over
>> there helping with the mirroring, or was it all done through their API?
>>I
>> imagine it's in their interest to make GitHub work with the ASF process
>> because there are now multiple TLPs using it as their main reviewing
>>system.
>>
>> Matei
>>
>> On Feb 6, 2014, at 10:13 AM, Jake Farrell <jfarrell@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Once the mirror is setup and synced to github (24hr window for this
>> > potentially to occur) then one of the Github Apache org admins can
>>setup
>> > the webhook. The project just needs to put in an infra ticket asking
>>for
>> it
>> >
>> > -Jake
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Henry Saputra <henry.saputra@gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> HI Marvin,
>> >>
>> >> The automatic email to dev@ list for github mirror PR, does it happen
>> >> for all ASF github mirrors or each podling need to do some setup to
>> >> make it work?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> - Henry
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:53 AM, Marvin Humphrey
>><marvin@rectangular.com
>> >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Michael Joyce <joyce@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >>>> How is doing a review on Github any different than doing a review
>>on
>> >> Review
>> >>>> Board?
>> >>>
>> >>> One is captured to Apache controlled channels and the other is not.
>> >>>
>> >>>> If there's concern that work on Github isn't being adequately
>>mirrored
>> >> on
>> >>>> the mailing lists then that sounds like an Infra problem to me.
>> >>>
>> >>> It's not an Infra problem.  It's the problem of any PMC which fails
>>to
>> >> ensure
>> >>> that all of its communications are properly archived.
>> >>>
>> >>> If anyone here is interested in contributing towards this feature, I
>> >> encourage
>> >>> you to subscribe to the infrastructure-dev@apache list.  I also
>> >> encourage
>> >>> everyone to ponder carefully:
>> >>>
>> >>> *   How to ensure that no information is lost when capturing
>> >> communications
>> >>>    in GitHub channels through notifications to our dev lists.
>> >>> *   The impact of adding GitHub integration features on long-term
>>ASF
>> >> Infra
>> >>>    labor costs.
>> >>>
>> >>>> There are plenty of hooks [1] that makes this easy to do and, if
>>I'm
>> not
>> >>>> mistaken, pull requests through Github are already supposed to mail
>> dev@
>> >> .
>> >>>
>> >>> That's right.  I've actually worked on the specific hook that does
>> >> that[1][2].
>> >>>
>> >>>> I would assume that any comment on them should as well.
>> >>>
>> >>> Why would you "assume" that GitHub comments are being mailed to dev
>> >> lists?
>> >>> They are not.
>> >>>
>> >>> Every Apache PMC member is tasked with oversight of their project,
>>and
>> >> that
>> >>> includes ensuring that all decisions happen on the dev list and are
>> >> properly
>> >>> documented.  It is not enough to "assume" that Infra is taking care
>>of
>> >>> archival -- ensuring that the archival actually happens is the PMC's
>> >> direct
>> >>> responsibility.
>> >>>
>> >>> Marvin Humphrey
>> >>>
>> >>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4651
>> >>> [2] Thread on legal-discuss@apache: http://s.apache.org/Nhx
>> >>>
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