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From "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Spark from the Incubator
Date Wed, 05 Feb 2014 17:16:41 GMT
Hi Craig,

Thanks for your comments. Like I said, we're working through the
issues and trying to get them addressed. Comments like significant
failure in leadership do little to productively move the discussion
forward. For example, Spark has been a model citizen in dealing
with other areas of the foundation in which things that should have
been taken care of easily an in the first months of Incubation still
remain (aka like getting Spark's JIRA migrated which would seem
like a simple task, but after numerous emails and JIRA issue comments
and discussion still remains to be complete). Members of the Spark
PPMC haven't seen a single nasty email to infra nor has there been
any use of the words "failure".

Spark hasn't done everything perfect, the mentors haven't been
perfect, the Incubator hasn't been perfect, and neither has everyone
in conversations and discussions like this. Yet, we press on and
try and do the best we can. We'll work to ensure that the initial
PMC list submitted and VOTEd upon has appropriate ICLAs on file as
intended.

I hope that Spark can through addressing your comments change your
mind on the VOTE of its graduation. In the case that it can't,
graduation is a procedural VOTE where we're looking for more +1s
than -1s by members of the IPMC and so your VOTE will be recorded
appropriately.


Thanks.

Cheers,
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: Craig L Russell <craig.russell@oracle.com>
Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
Date: Wednesday, February 5, 2014 9:05 AM
To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Spark from the Incubator

>Hi Matei,
>
>On Feb 4, 2014, at 12:26 PM, Matei Zaharia wrote:
>
>> Hi Craig,
>> 
>> Thanks for the list, I¹m following up with these folks to get them
>>accounts. I think some people filed an ICLA but never received an
>>account and were thus never added to the repo.
>
>This is a significant failure of the leadership of this project to
>request accounts. 
>
>The project status on http://incubator.apache.org/projects/spark.html
>says that "all active committers have submitted a contributors agreement"
>as of a week ago. The project started seven months ago. Setting up the
>project, filing ICLAs, and getting accounts for committers is supposed to
>be part of the initial activities, not a graduation exercise.
>
>> A couple of questions:
>> 
>> - What do you mean by ³does not appear to be a committer² ‹ that they
>>weren¹t added to the repo?
>
>They were not given credentials to commit to the repo.
>
>> All of these individuals have contributed code, but it was merged by
>>someone else.
>
>This is a major issue. At Apache, committers update the repo with their
>own code. Occasionally, they commit code on behalf of others but this
>should be a rare exception, such as a person from the outside
>contributing a patch or two.
>
>If committers on the project are routinely committing patches on behalf
>of other active members of the project, there is something fundamentally
>wrong with the leadership of the project.
>
>Perhaps it is a feature of using git that it's so easy to write code,
>create a pull request, and have someone else do the "easy" job of
>merging. 
>
>> - Andrew Xia is listed as having an ICLA on file here:
>>http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html
>
>Yes, I missed this. Andrew's public name is different.
>
>There are some folks on the proposed PMC list who do not appear to have
>been active on the mail lists, which are the life blood of a project.
>
>I'm still -1 on this project graduating without demonstrated
>understanding of how Apache projects work.
>
>Craig
>> 
>> Matei
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 4, 2014, at 8:12 AM, Craig L Russell <craig.russell@oracle.com>
>>wrote:
>> 
>>> -1 for this resolution as written.
>>> 
>>> Some of the proposed PMC members have filed ICLAs but are not
>>>committers; some have not even filed ICLAs; some appear to have been
>>>part of the original proposal but have not contributed to the project
>>>during incubation.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Craig
>>> 
>>> On Jan 31, 2014, at 6:04 PM, Matei Zaharia wrote:
>>> 
>>>> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>>>> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
>>>> Apache Spark Project:
>>>> 
>>>> * Mosharaf Chowdhury <mosharaf@apache.org>
>>>> * Jason Dai <jasondai@apache.org>
>>>> * Tathagata Das <tdas@eecs.berkeley.edu>
>>> 
>>> This person does not appear to be a committer.
>>> 
>>>> * Ankur Dave <ankurdave@gmail.com>
>>> 
>>> This person does not appear to be a committer.
>>> 
>>>> * Aaron Davidson <aarondavidson@berkeley.edu>
>>> 
>>> This person does not appear to be a committer.
>>> 
>>>> * Thomas Dudziak <tomdz@apache.org>
>>>> * Robert Evans <bobby@apache.org>
>>>> * Thomas Graves <tgraves@apache.org>
>>>> * Andy Konwinski <andrew@apache.org>
>>>> * Stephen Haberman <stephenh@apache.org>
>>>> * Mark Hamstra <markhamstra@apache.org>
>>>> * Shane Huang <shane_huang@apache.org>
>>>> * Ryan LeCompte <ryanlecompte@apache.org>
>>>> * Haoyuan Li <haoyuan@apache.org>
>>>> * Sean McNamara <mcnamara@apache.org>
>>>> * Mridul Muralidharam <mridulm@yahoo-inc.com>
>>> 
>>> This person does not appear to be a committer.
>>> 
>>>> * Kay Ousterhout <keo@eecs.berkeley.edu>
>>> 
>>> There is no ICLA on file for this person.
>>> 
>>>> * Nick Pentreath <mlnick@apache.org>
>>>> * Imran Rashid <imran@quantifind.com>
>>> 
>>> This person does not appear to be a committer.
>>> 
>>>> * Charles Reiss <woggle@apache.org>
>>>> * Josh Rosen <joshrosen@apache.org>
>>>> * Prashant Sharma <prashant@apache.org>
>>>> * Ram Sriharsha <harshars@yahoo-inc.com>
>>> 
>>> There is no ICLA on file for this person.
>>> 
>>>> * Shivaram Venkataraman <shivaram@apache.org>
>>>> * Patrick Wendell <pwendell@apache.org>
>>>> * Andrew Xia <xiajunluan@gmail.com>
>>> 
>>> There is no ICLA on file for this person.
>>> 
>>>> * Reynold Xin <rxin@apache.org>
>>>> * Matei Zaharia <matei@apache.org>
>>> 
>>> Craig L Russell
>>> Architect, Oracle
>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>> 
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>
>Craig L Russell
>Architect, Oracle
>http://db.apache.org/jdo
>408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>
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