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From Michael Joyce <jo...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Spark from the Incubator
Date Thu, 06 Feb 2014 18:34:48 GMT
Let's try this again Marvin since you're jumping to the wrong conclusions
here.

If people are concerned about work on Github not being automatically
mirrored to ASF mailing lists that's an Infra problem. They should go talk
to them to help get it addressed, which includes the possibility of
contributing code. I'm not saying that archiving project relevant
discussion is Infra's job. I figured that would be obvious to everyone
here, but evidently I'm mistaken. Hopefully this helps to clear that up.

Are you really curious as to why I would assume that basic integration with
Github would exist when I'm aware of an already existing integration with
pull request notifications? When there are hooks that exist for comments
being posted to pull requests, I don't think there's a very large leap to
assume that we would leverage that. That doesn't mean that I think it's
Infra's job to archive for a project.

A response like Jake's is exactly the kind of response that this discussion
needs. Someone with an understanding of the system explaining exactly what
the limitations are. That way, people like me (people who don't bother with
the Github mirrors) can better understand exactly what they can do to help
improve them in the future if they decide that's what they want to do.
Thank you for always being helpful Jake, it's very much appreciated.


-- Joyce


On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:53 AM, Marvin Humphrey <marvin@rectangular.com>wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Michael Joyce <joyce@apache.org> wrote:
> > How is doing a review on Github any different than doing a review on
> Review
> > Board?
>
> One is captured to Apache controlled channels and the other is not.
>
> > If there's concern that work on Github isn't being adequately mirrored on
> > the mailing lists then that sounds like an Infra problem to me.
>
> It's not an Infra problem.  It's the problem of any PMC which fails to
> ensure
> that all of its communications are properly archived.
>
> If anyone here is interested in contributing towards this feature, I
> encourage
> you to subscribe to the infrastructure-dev@apache list.  I also encourage
> everyone to ponder carefully:
>
> *   How to ensure that no information is lost when capturing communications
>     in GitHub channels through notifications to our dev lists.
> *   The impact of adding GitHub integration features on long-term ASF Infra
>     labor costs.
>
> > There are plenty of hooks [1] that makes this easy to do and, if I'm not
> > mistaken, pull requests through Github are already supposed to mail dev@
> .
>
> That's right.  I've actually worked on the specific hook that does
> that[1][2].
>
> > I would assume that any comment on them should as well.
>
> Why would you "assume" that GitHub comments are being mailed to dev lists?
> They are not.
>
> Every Apache PMC member is tasked with oversight of their project, and that
> includes ensuring that all decisions happen on the dev list and are
> properly
> documented.  It is not enough to "assume" that Infra is taking care of
> archival -- ensuring that the archival actually happens is the PMC's direct
> responsibility.
>
> Marvin Humphrey
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4651
> [2] Thread on legal-discuss@apache: http://s.apache.org/Nhx
>
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