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From David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Spark from the Incubator
Date Sat, 08 Feb 2014 17:02:08 GMT
Ted and Henry: Thanks for the thoughtful replies and indulging my concerns.

+1 (binding)

--David

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:33 AM, Henry Saputra <henry.saputra@gmail.com> wrote:
> HI David Nalley,
>
> Thank you for your comment and concern, really appreciate it.
>
> As Patrick had mentioned in his reply, this is not a persistent problem.
> The reminder I sent was about particular topic which could be
> interpreted as design or roadmap topic rather than review for a patch.
> Rather than reminding an individual or two involved in the discussion,
> I decided to send email to dev@ list to show by example  the open and
> transparent discussions the ASF way.
>
> Hope this gives some more clarification about the state of the podling
> embracing the ASF way.
>
> - Henry
>
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:19 PM, Patrick Wendell <pwendell@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hey All - chiming in as an active Spark committer.
>>
>>> The part that disturbs me is that after the vote passed in the
>>> community, and came to the IPMC a mentor is still having to remind
>>> folks that things like strategy and roadmap discussions need to happen
>>> on the mailing list. That's a pretty foundational concept in my mind
>>> for an Apache project.
>>
>> Henry gave a reminder on the mailing list not because it's a
>> persistent problem but because it never explicitly came up prior to
>> this. We use github for review comments and in one case this week
>> there was a brief discussion that could be interpreted as roadmap - so
>> Henry just gave a reminder not to do that. I can't imagine why any
>> project would *want* to use github review comments for long term
>> roadmap discussion... it's a terrible medium for that anyways! We have
>> a very active developer list and that is where these discussions take
>> place.
>>
>>> The missing account issues are somewhat troubling, but also not really
>>> within the purview of the podling to fix either; though I find it odd
>>> that people committed to the podling (and many initial committers)
>>> haven't asked for their Apache account or needed to use it.
>>
>> This is because those people have still contributed a lot of code via
>> other commiters who merge so it's not an immediate urgency. For
>> perspective I am a committer on two other ASF projects but I've never
>> personally committed code to either - I do it through the more active
>> committers who basically spend all their time merging patches. A few
>> of the initial commiters are not currently active on the project;
>> they've made major contributions over the last few years of
>> development and are committers in recognition of those contributions
>> (see above).
>>
>> Popping up a level. We are happy to have github discussions forward to
>> either our dev- list or a reviews- list or something like that (I
>> beleive Matei is setting that up now). If IPCM folks want to debate
>> whether we should *have* to do that, it seems sensible to fork a
>> thread and discuss elsewhere. If IPMC folks want to debate whether
>> github should be allowed at all, I also think it's better discussed
>> outside of this graduation thread.
>>
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