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From: Alejandro Abdelnur <tucu@cloudera.com>
Subject: Re: Hoya Proposal
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 09:29:18 -0800
To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>

argh, gmail trying to be extra smart collapsed his comment on that and i mis=
sed. sorry

thx=20

Alejandro
(phone typing)

> On Jan 9, 2014, at 9:23, larry mccay <lmccay@apache.org> wrote:
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> Hi Alejandro -
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> I believe that Steve has already acknowledged that a package rename is
> required and that the project is likely not appropriate for Hadoop proper.=

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> thanks,
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> --larry
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> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Alejandro Abdelnur <tucu@cloudera.com>wro=
te:
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>> I may have not been clear enough, I was referring to using
>> 'org.apache.hadoop' as package prefix for a project other than hadoop.
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>> Thanks
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>> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 8:36 AM, Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
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>>> If you can work out a plan to do this directly in Hadoop, there's no
>>> need for the incubator. You just build and and contribute it in
>>> cahoots with them, and earn commit over there as you go.
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>>> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Alejandro Abdelnur <tucu@cloudera.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Mmmh, if i recall correctly this has come up in the past with other
>>> projects and it was decided against it. Could you please check with the
>>> hadoop folks about it?
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>>>> Thx
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>>>>> On Jan 9, 2014, at 1:19 AM, Steve Loughran <stevel@hortonworks.com>
>>> wrote:
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>>>>> no its wrong, it should all be under org.apache.hoya.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> I had the hadoop prefix so that I could perhaps put it straight into
>> the
>>>>> hadoop code as another tools module -no need for incubation. But as
>> the
>>>>> actual providers and all tests are related to the deployment of hbase
>>> and
>>>>> accumulo, it really comes downstream of those.
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>>>>> so a rename is needed.
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>>>>> but yes, ASF headers everywhere
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>>>>>=20
>>>>>> On 8 January 2014 22:48, Henry Saputra <henry.saputra@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
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>>>>>> I like how the initial code already put under "
>>>>>> org.apache.hadoop.hoya"  with correct ASF header =3D)
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> - Henry
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 7:08 AM, Steve Loughran <
>> stevel@hortonworks.com
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>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm starting to put together the incubation proposal for Hoya: a
>> tool
>>> to
>>>>>>> dynamically deploy applications such as HBase or Accumulo on YARN
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>>>>>>> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/HoyaProposal
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>>>>>>> It does already work to the extent that it can bring up either
>>>>>> application,
>>>>>>> run different clusters of different versions, and remember where
>>>>>> containers
>>>>>>> were allocated so that on application restart it can ask for them
>>> back.
>>>>>>> That increases data locality and makes a big difference with HBase.
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>>>>>>> It also needs a lot more work -YARN-896 is adding YARN features that=

>>>>>> help,
>>>>>>> but there's lots of fun to be had in Hoya including
>>>>>>> -leading edge work in failure handling, modelling cluster
>>> unreliability
>>>>>>> and reacting to it. Can we move beyond simple blacklisting to
>>>>>>> "greylisting", accepting unreliable boxes if we have no altenatives
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>>>>>>> Then there's adding more providers, to support different application=

>>>>>>> installations -I'm starting to write a functional test framework
>> which
>>>>>> need
>>>>>>> provider-specific workload generations
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>>>>>>> Other features: AM should have a web ui that redirects to the live
>>>>>>> endpoints to all the app-specific UIs (e.g. HBase Master GUI), as
>>> well as
>>>>>>> displaying cluster state itself, for people and for management
>>> tools....
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>>>>>>> To summarise: lots of fun to be had
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>>>>>>> -steve
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