Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5AF621059E for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 04:43:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 90046 invoked by uid 500); 15 Dec 2013 04:42:27 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 89687 invoked by uid 500); 15 Dec 2013 04:42:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 89677 invoked by uid 99); 15 Dec 2013 04:42:10 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 04:42:10 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: local policy includes SPF record at spf.trusted-forwarder.org) Received: from [209.85.212.42] (HELO mail-vb0-f42.google.com) (209.85.212.42) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 04:42:05 +0000 Received: by mail-vb0-f42.google.com with SMTP id w5so2368506vbf.29 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 20:41:44 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=kAJZdyGCmuCEKA2FSPj/EvMCnZTn09V13pTp3cpZteA=; b=GQtconm8y9qp0zJk+wpg2O9XLMOQZLGUCNT/kUwT13tH9CzqESOI8Jnhihr4DcnA5b kYlsSOttywA5BLqOxYmfxYxYhahru5KZ0fHWg5sGxgpkntx1sLWPx7qEgdJw/vLa0Ki7 JQDhIGQgXIZUqcNsAObwp+nMtxNs2+EdG9Ao0Oz7Z4cdtm0Yby+o0tPd3d+n8eYXqYSG HCqE1HoRrdwmX8noFa9hNJivqSjYLILqzErF0kdaCPifUeVSgYpeeSvW6Csl3MiMnhx9 26bdWj1Bn3iGJNxYmX4oDqvb7X0ixNPI+K69s8vcURdd/jwZKB1Wojc2CcKgcZR8IPX8 gIgQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmPOMbe/FwlfnimRGmYLgVgnulcjwMCxoGC2y/yFFEq/6ilZLUP0aMttwpHAH/0F0T4sWCf MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.50.18 with SMTP id x18mr1061125vcf.29.1387082504755; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 20:41:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.43.197 with HTTP; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 20:41:44 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [99.46.94.139] In-Reply-To: <1386836412.28313.58659173.641E53AC@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1386836412.28313.58659173.641E53AC@webmail.messagingengine.com> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 20:41:44 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: IP Clearance before releasing From: Marvin Humphrey To: "general@incubator.apache.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Upayavira wrote: > We should probably be clear about *who* can relax the rules, because > again this could become a fighting ground amongst 180 of us. Perhaps we can avert potential disputes by blocking graduation rather than releases. Every review item in the following checklist is either required by Incubator policy or is documented outside the Incubator as required for all Apache releases: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/release_manifest.txt http://incubator.apache.org/guides/release.html#review-items Let's say that we start allowing more documented exceptions to the rules for incubating releases. Fine -- but the podling still needs to demonstrate that they can make a release worthy of a TLP, or they shouldn't graduate. The simple approach is to establish a policy that a podling must make a release which passes all the checklist items. I'm sure we'd end up making occassional exceptions under the "materiality" test, but that's no big deal. An "audit" prior to graduation has also been proposed, but forcing IPMC members to go rooting around in source trees, build scripts and issue trackers seems unattractive. Blocking graduation instead of release candidates would reduce strain on both podlings and reviewers. Suitable policy bugs could be fixed in between incubating releases during the normal course of development, rather than between release candidates -- so fewer release candidates would be needed. Marvin Humphrey --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org