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From ant elder <ant.el...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Release Verification Checklist
Date Fri, 13 Dec 2013 17:48:41 GMT
The N word wasn't particularly helpful or constructive, sorry. I do think
the policy page should be kept simple and generic though, so isn't the
place to be describing this experiment.

   ...ant


On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 3:39 PM, ant elder <ant.elder@gmail.com> wrote:

> Well sorry but IMHO thats nonsense. The Maven decision was an isolated
> incident and didn't change the way all future Incubator policy should
> get decided. Insisting that this experiment is done via a change to
> the main policy just makes it contentious when it doesn't need to be.
> All the complexity in the language and approach, the three votes etc
> is exactly why people get the idea that the ASF is a ridiculous place
> with overbearing rules and process. Its just an experiment, use lazy
> majority consensus and go try it with a podling.
>
>    ...ant
>
> On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Marvin Humphrey <marvin@rectangular.com>
> wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 12:18 AM, ant elder <ant.elder@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I'm also opposed to updating the policy document, so will be voting
> against
> >> this just for that.  Its just an experiment so you don't need to be
> making a
> >> permanent change to the policy page to try it, especially as its such a
> >> clunky convoluted change.
> >
> > An explicit policy change is required because otherwise there would be
> > ambiguity as to whether a release which passes under the modified regime
> is an
> > act of the Foundation and confers indemnity on the Release Manager.
> >
> > The language of the proposed change to the Policy page has been carefully
> > composed.  It is highly isolated from the rest of our policy and has no
> force
> > except on the the experiment.
> >
> > This proposal is structured as an incremental, reversible change.  It is
> > incremental because podlings must be opted in by vote of the IPMC to
> > participate.  It is reversible because once the experiment has run its
> course
> > the relevant section of the policy page can be removed with zero impact
> > through lazy consensus.
> >
> >> (And responding to another related comment in the thread - since when
> have
> >> policy updates not required consensus?)
> >
> > The 2008 proposal to allow distribution through Maven was enacted after a
> > contentious majority-rule vote passed 15 to 12.
> >
> > Marvin Humphrey
> >
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